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> I have also done lab work on my sample of sub that is over one year old that was kept in my cooler warehouse.... guess what, hardly changed.

I'd be interested to know what tests you did that...

Then we are in agreement about that and you are careful in that regard.

Good. Some are not.

Do you know how your product rates after shipping and storage, or do you make sure it is...

> Can you elaborated on your methods and materials used? What is the average frame count for those 105 colonies?

All that is already done -- and more -- in excruciating detail at...

> true by why use it if there is a chance? use better ingredients,

I was going to let this one pass, but maybe it needs an answer.

"Better ingredients" is a term that is harder to define...

Sensible words, but what do we mean by "quality ingredients"? What are they? How do we get them? How do we know we received them after we take delivery?

We get them by relying on suppliers. Do...

> You can buy tosted soy at 45% protein OR, you can buy ISP soy at 93% protein with no stachyose the choice is yours. That's why all subs are not the same, take a look at Randy Olivers web site with...

> I don't think Jeff or Zachary are pushing propaganda, just the facts.

Please don't misunderstand or misrepresent what I am saying.

I am not making any suggestions about what Jeff or Zach...

Facts are facts, however how people understand facts and what they 'reason' from facts are often far from reality.

In all nutritional matters, the amount consumed and what is being consumed in...

The original question was from Tucson.

Inasmuch as the bees in that area are widely documented to be Africanized, and because AHB tend to be smaller than EHB, then a smaller cell size should be...

Lay a metric ruler to measure the shortest way possible across 10 complete cells. (Include the outer wall of the first cell and omit the last cell wall of the tenth).

Note the distance in mm....

I think that this is true in that taking all the honey puts them into a desperation mode and that can work, unless no flow comes along and then the colony is doomed. Even a short period of such...

When I have done it, it has usually been with grafted cells on Jayzee Beezee cups and a twist with my fingers was all it took. They are easy.

I've also done it with natural cells, though and...

That is interesting. I don't have proof of this, but in practice, I have discovered that hives with less than a sufficient amount of honey in the hive will fly themselves to death in fall trying to...

The size of queen cells is an indication of the amount of surplus resources available in the hive.

An excess of young bees and limited competition from worker and drone brood needing to be fed...

This is always a sensitive subject, and I usually try to stay away from discussing anyone's personal finances, but inasmuch as this particular case is central the question at hand, and comes up...

Thanks for the input StevenG. Your comments are quite to the point.

Something I should add is that the answers received are dependent on the question asked.

When asked about treatments, a...

See halfway down at
http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/2000/diary040100.htm
also see
http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/articles/pkgnucs.htm

The main thing is to have the package bees at the...

Sheri and Harry summed it up, then we began drifting OT again. Why do these threads always get hijacked, and with the same old hobby horses?

We're trying to think here, and such interruptions...

Odd. I remembered Nancy Trout's queen marking demonstration from EAS and went to Wal-Mart today, but could not find the pen she showed us.

For almost forty years I almost never marked queens, but...

From Kona Queen:

"Everything is already taken care of and we are shipping to Alberta again today. All queens will be sent with Attendants inside the cage - battery
box packing is no longer...

I don't know what has become of this thread.

First we hear that the experience of many serious northern (and I mean northern) beekeepers who have found that many (not all) southern-bred bees...

Is it like vaccinating turkeys? I've done that, and it went pretty quick, but my guess is that vaccinating bees is going to be a long, slow job.

Ooops! Sorry. This thread is so OT, I had no...

Please guys let's not get trolled off topic again, and please do not quote off topic comments from people on everyone's ignore list.

I would really love for this topic to be discussed without it...

True. I guess we are exploring the limits here as to what to include under 'commercial' and what to consider as treatments.

I think many commercials are into IPM, which as an end point may...

Tha sums it up nicely. IMO, these discussions would be more pleasant and constructive is we all tried to see how we agree and why we differ on some points rather than simply disagreeing.


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