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    Re: Human Made Feral Hives

    I find the topic of domestication to be very interesting but it's not really what this thread is about. Sorry for veering so far off course
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    The wild hogs are descended from, surprise: wild hogs



    same for the horses:



    None of these animals are the result of modern domesticated livestock escaping into the wild. Did you read...
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    Re: Human Made Feral Hives

    Fair enough.

    Conservation of bees is a legitimate concern. But it implies that honey bees are in danger, which I think they are actually not. I have been researching the topic and my findings may...
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    Re: Source of Late Fall Varroa Load

    Really, I meant nothing of the sort. Beliefs do tend to be closely held, however, and can be an impediment to learning. We tend to see what we believe, that's all.

    However, if I offended anyone by...
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    Re: Source of Late Fall Varroa Load

    I would be more careful what you say about people in uniforms. Some of my best friends wear them.
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    Re: Human Made Feral Hives

    I think the sticking point here is "in the wild." Living in or adjacent to human habitat is not wild. Think wilderness, and then tell me how many domestic animals are thriving there. Some actual...
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    I believe in honey bee conservation, but the fact is they would not exist in the US if Europeans hadn't brought them here. They are a non-native species and in some settings, an invasive one.

    I...
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    Re: Human Made Feral Hives

    You were the one who said they would survive better, not me.
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    Re: Source of Late Fall Varroa Load

    Nobody said anything about 100%. If you knock the mites down 90% with treatments, this is sufficient to keep them from building back up and killing the hive, at least for six months or so. The study...
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    Re: Source of Late Fall Varroa Load

    I just received this message from my friend Randy Oliver
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    Re: Human Made Feral Hives

    Where I live, the only domestic animals that survive in the wild are feral cats. Our area has abundant wild life, such as wild turkeys, deer, possums, foxes, coyotes, hawks, vultures, bears. No...
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    Re: Human Made Feral Hives

    I would expect the impact to be more untended colonies, which is not a good thing. We already have thousands of colonies owned by know nothings, essentially wild hives which get the honey ripped off...
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    Re: Source of Late Fall Varroa Load

    You know, it's not either/or. Both of these contribute to mite buildup. The usual paradigm of internal mite buildup is the main cause, but when the mites have been eradicated and you have buildup...
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    Re: Human Made Feral Hives

    I suggest anyone interested in the difference between domesticated and wild animals read a little more. Like this article from the journal "Nature"



    NATURE | VOL 418 | 8 AUGUST 2002 |...
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    Re: Human Made Feral Hives

    That proves what? That you've seen them. My statement was that most wouldn't, not that none would. But surviving for a spell is not the same as reestablishing a population. Feral cats are not the...
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    Re: Source of Late Fall Varroa Load

    I think the influx of mites from outside is an established fact. Here is research done more than twenty years ago. They actually counted mites coming into hives that, since they were constantly...
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    Re: Source of Late Fall Varroa Load

    back to the original question: Do bees in the failing hives head off in search of better conditions and subsequently sneak their way into other hives and bring along with them a lot of mites?

    I...
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    Re: Human Made Feral Hives

    That's simply not true. Most domestic animals wouldn't last a week in the wild. Most people wouldn't last very long, either, being completely domesticated. By the way, Wikipedia is a convenient...
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    Re: Source of Late Fall Varroa Load

    It is generally assumed that the reinfestation of colonies with mites is caused by robbing of weak or dying colonies



    Rosenkranz, P., Aumeier, P., & Ziegelmann, B. (2010). Biology and control...
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    Re: Source of Late Fall Varroa Load

    I have found quite a few papers referring to reinfestation, but nothing specifically about bees drifting off of dying hives into healthy ones.



    Autumn Invasion Rates of Varroa destructor...
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    Re: Source of Late Fall Varroa Load

    Are you new to beekeeping? Yes, there are hives that experience lower mite counts due to the exodus. Those are the hives that are crashing and dying. After the collapse there are no mites. And no...
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    Re: Human Made Feral Hives

    You know, we have definitions for things so we can discuss them. Domestication is a specific thing. The domesticated plant or animal bears little resemblance to the original wild type. With animals,...
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    Having worked at the SPCA, I think I understand the difference. Cats raised by people are usually very friendly and appreciative. Cats raised in wild are generally vicious. I was told that wild...
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    Re: Source of Late Fall Varroa Load

    A few years ago, I heard about the idea that populations spike in August due to infestation from other hives. The idea was that bees preying on weaker hives brought back mites. I found this idea very...
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    Re: Human Made Feral Hives

    You are further confusing it by talking about cats, owls and bats. The difference between feral and domestic cats is very distinct. Bees, on the other hand, are not domesticated. They are wild...
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