You pay for a technology, and you expect to get your money's worth, without any negative impacts.
We all know the dust issue needs to be fixed.
However, after reading the Goulson review, I can't believe that there is a soil type where clothianidin has a 1/2 life of over 15 years!
No farmer alive signed on for that kind of a surprise.
like thats a bad thing?? hmm seed coating needed only every 10 years or so?? wish roundup worked that long!!!!!!!!
Well, soil type, and conditioners used, might explain alot of the discrepancies we're hearing about with regards to colony losses.
If you have the right soil type, the product has a low 1/2 life. The bees are fine.
If you have fuquay sandy loam, you're going to get residue build up. That could be a big part of the whole 30% winter loss issue.
WOW thts intersting... The soils with the worst traits are located around where over 1/2 the package bees come from.........worst 1/2 life... best bee production.... from that I could conclude there a good thing!
GA package producers have pretty much 0 wither losses!
Good job on the CRP native grasses. But. I was largely referring to the cost of treating trees, etc., w/ insecticides.
I think that the only way to answer the soil type vs colony losses question would be for someone to take available data and create a GIS map with overlays for colony losses and soil type.
Could be wrong, but it does look that way.
also from that article, wrt dosing:Quote:
Winter came, and they saw nothing. The hives seemed fine. “We were starting to get discouraged,” Warchol says. “Dick and I were talking, saying, ‘Wow, there’s really nothing going on.’ ” Lu had the same reaction. “At that time,” he says, “I thought my hypothesis was wrong.”
which also makes zero sense. if they anted to make sure they didnt kill the bees outright, when they upped the dosage, they would not have made the "new lowest dose" twice what the "old higher dose" was.....not to mention that bees don't encounter imidacloprid in HFCS in the "real world".Quote:
On July 1, 2010, they started the pesticide regimen, beginning with very low doses, to make sure they didn’t kill the bees right away. They upped the amounts after four weeks to levels that Lu says were on the conservative end of what bees encounter in the real world — through syrup made from corn treated with neonicotinoids or nectar and pollen collected from contaminated flowers and crops.
I've been told that Lu doesn't care about bees at all and know nothing about them. the end game for him is to show that neonics affect the human brain in a similar manner.
Well that should be easy to prove, using the same methods. Make the test people drink neonicitiniods at a level just low enough to not kill them outright. Later, double the dose. You will have proof that neonicitiniods are damaging to human brains, and maybe even fatal to the human.
I probably consume more neonics than those bees did.
First of all, I would have chosen clothianidin.
Secondly, I wouldn't have used the CCD term in my hypothesis. Just plain 'impact on Honeybee health'.
Thirdly, if I wanted to test HFCS for contaminants, I would have done so directly, although there is no evidence for neonics in HFCS.
Let's face it, Lu got lucky.
It was a tounge in cheek comment about testing effects on humans........intended as a bit of wit... albiet small...
If neonics are the problem I shouldnt have any bees. 9 different yards, everyone you can throw a stone to hit a corn/bean field.
Before all this vast acreage of fields get planted, solid purple with hensbit, purple deadnettle and chickweed. That's what my beed are building up on. Mid to late July bees are putting up supers of honey from soybeans..
So what is really the problem??? O yes sugar free and treatment free hives....