Re: Hive starved in winter
Where is the entrance in the hive located? cooler climate beeks who keep TBH seem (I'm in a semi tropical location) have better success with a top end entrance. See the side entrance thread of late for more details as to why this might be important.....
Re: Hive starved in winter
6 bars from the cluster can be a long way away for bees in a cold winter. With a candy board even if they get there, it can be a mission licking a meaningful amount off it in freezing conditions. If you found no honey in the combs, i'd say yes, starvation.
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A candy board needs to be in contact with the cluster to do any good. I'm sure they did starve, but "heads in the cells" is how they cluster. It does not necessarily mean they starved. However if the cluster was not in contact with stores, it's a pretty safe bet they DID starve.
Going into winter I want the bees at one end and the stores in front of them with no gaps. Any empty combs should be at the opposite end from the bees or at the beginning, but not in the middle. Once a cluster starts slowly moving through the hive, they seldom change directions unless there are some warm days for them to get reoriented when the cluster breaks.
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The entrance is located toward the bottom Attachment 4327
This is an old picture of the hive you can see where the entrance is on the far left. Ill send more pictures of how it looks inside now.
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It is very important to make sure they have properly back filled their nest with honey stores by late summer early fall giving nice bands of honey on the combs that the winter cluster forms on. With the combs next to the winter cluster having much deeper bands of honey. In a poor season you may need to help them out with this by feeding.
A possibility, sometimes very populous colonies will have a large brood area that doesn't get back filled before the end of the season along with cold weather setting in. This will cause the bees to tighten up their cluster pulling them out of range of a good portion of the winter stores. Coupled with the population reduction it can easily leave them in a bad position.
With emergency feeding you really need to get the food in contact with the bees.
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Matt Oleanik
The entrance is located toward the bottom
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This is an old picture of the hive you can see where the entrance is on the far left. Ill send more pictures of how it looks inside now.
OK well for next time, all advice given so far is good. The bees will tend to have the brood at the end where the entrance is. This is better than having brood in the middle with honey both sides, as the bees will eat their way through the honey one direction, then when it's gone possibly starve if it's cold, while there is still honey down the other end. As per other posts, come winter they shrink the brood nest, your job is to make sure they cluster in a position where they know where the honey is, cos they are in contact with it, and they can gradually move along the hive as they consume it. When setting them up for winter, if there's an empty gap that used to be brood nest, between the bee cluster and the honey, either move combs, or feed syrup till they've filled it. Syrup that's going to be used for winter stores is kinder on the bees if it has some vinegar in it. What I use is white sugar mixed with very hot water, as thick as I can possibly get it. Then I add 1 cup of vinegar to 4 gallons syrup.
Mites haven't been mentioned yet and I didn't really want to because we kind of get overdosed on mite advice, but if your hive goes into winter with a heavy mite load, they are much more likely to starve. The bees are not as vigorous and tend to just cluster, not move to much seeking honey, and it's a downwards spiral.
For a candy board to work, it should be among the bees. That way it gets moisture from the bee cluster that slowly dissolves it so the bees can lick the wet layer off, and it has to be a bit warmed so the bees on it won't chill. But sugar syrup stored in comb is going to beat candy any day, in terms of how useable it is to the bees, plus they have put it where they want it.
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Wow thanks guys for all the quick responses! I hope I never have to see that many dead bees ever again. Ill send more pictures soon just to give you guys a better understanding in case some important information is being left out.
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The first photo shows where the cluster was and where the candy board was. About 6 bars away.
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