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We had our first snow in CT last night and this morning there's a few dead bees outside and a few at the entrance is this normal? I haven't put any wrap on the hives because they're against the fence in the corner and the house protects so they can only get a easterly wind.
The snow made you notice. That's all.
I worry if I don't see any dead bees in the snow.
I've noticed that when it's below 50 F and cloudy, the bees will drag out their dead and just push them off the landing board. I assume it's just too cold for them to carry off the dead like they usually do, so they just do the minimal.
I spend way too much time just standing in front of the hives, watching the bees. :-)
There was a pile about 10 infront too. They're so smart it's amazing.
I've had around several hundred die hanging around the hive on the outside, like stuck to the outside when it's warm, then when it gets cool, like around 45 their dead.
Is this normal?
That worries me, too. We had a cold snap last night and snow all day today (currently it's exactly 32 degrees). There were almost 30 on the landing board this morning. My neighbor assures me his hives are doing the same. If I press my ear up against the hive I can hear a continuous buzz, so I guess everything's OK.
Dave...if I understand you correctly, one of my hives did the same thing the other day, but not as many as yours. It looked like they died exactly where they landed. In the picture, every visible bee, except the cluster at the entrance, is dead. Only happened once and there hasn't been any more dead ones since, but it sure seemed odd to me.
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I don't think they're dead. I think the cold has slowed they're level of activity.
So, they're only "Mostly Dead?" - Miracle MaxQuote:
Originally Posted by TheBuzz
Tony P.
Any insights and thoughts from experienced beekeepers as to why bees are trying to fly when too cold?
Are they older foragers still heading out for pollen/nectar?
Are they being helped out of the hive as they are of little value over winter, similar to drone expulsion? Or do they leave on their own accord for betterment of the hive?
Hive is too warm inside and bees think flying is still on?
Typically a healthy pop of bees is able to keep the hive rather warm. They have no idea the actual temp outside until they fly in it. I'm guessing these are cleansing flights that were unable to make it back as well as older bees. It all depends on how far from the hive they are when they perished.
I observed some of that today. Unfortunately, the bees I saw wouldn't listen when I tried to talk them back into the hive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Beeman
Frankly, around the front of my hive it looked like "beemageddon" to me. I wonder what kind of attrition rate they can sustain.
Last year I went around the hive after the temp went down and gathered up as many bees as I could find that seemed still alive and put them either in my hand or in a dish to warm them up. I was feeding them so that is the reason why I think they flew out when it was too cold for them. Once they warmed up they were good to go. So I put them back in the hive. What I've seen is if they're not able to make it back in and get stuck on the outside they'll starve to death if it's too cold and they don't have a belly full. This year I'm not doing that because last year they did this regardless of what I did. So I'm letting them go. One hive I have on my driveway and there's proabably about 100 or more bees dead there from that last couple days. When the temp yesterday was over about 55 I was shocked and excited at this hive seeing all of the bees flying out for cleansing and orientation flights. It was great!!! I wasn't concerned about the "few" bees on the driveway at this point. I also put my hand over the entrance and was also surprised to feel the heat coming out. Unless you have a pile of several hundred then I wouldn't be concerned. It takes too much time to go and pick them up and warm them up and put them back in. Oh btw this hive that did this last year was a great and strong hive this year. It was one of my best. I split it about 4 or 5 ways and it overwintered as a 5 deep frame nuc that only had about 4-1/4 frames drawn.
I had 28 one day, 20 the next, and just a handful this morning. The beeks I know here have told me that their hives are doing the same thing. I think I'll take a deep breath and let it go.Quote:
Originally Posted by delber
UPDATE:
Having re-read delber's post, I decided to conduct a little experiment. I went out and collected a bunch (~20) of the bees that were in the snow and put them in a screen-top canning jar. I put the canning jar on the hearth, and within minutes all of them were active and buzzing around. I released them on the deck and up they went!
Bees anticipate their energy needs and sometimes they mis-calculate and don't make it back or land short. If they get caught out in the cold they will have to shutdown and wait for it to warm up as they're mainly exothermic in nature.
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Originally Posted by Splatt
In my other post I wrote about messing with the bees when it was too cold. I went out this morning and they were clustered just outside the hive. Looked dead to me, if I had let themn remain they would have either certainly died or been lunch for some lucky bird. I put them in a jar, placed the jar in warm water and they are starting to come to life. It's not something I would do everyday for every bee, but interesting none the less.
edit-After about 1/2 started moving about, I emptied the jar onto the inner cover, that will warm them up and the dead ones will be carted off.
Now I feel guilty for assuming they were dead. Fortunately there wasn't too many... I just hate to lose any of my girls... Especially due to my ignorance.
I wonder how long they can survive like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by delber
maybe they were just being altruistic. better not to have more than needed this time of year.