Seriously? "YES"? What makes you think so? Why do you have no faith in the resiliency of the Honeybee? I see no evidence of extinction. Do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joes_bees
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Seriously? "YES"? What makes you think so? Why do you have no faith in the resiliency of the Honeybee? I see no evidence of extinction. Do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joes_bees
That's what I thought you meant, the elderly and mentally infirm, not older people. You aren't in your 80s or 90s, so elderly probably would have been a better choice of words. Though it would still have been silly to say. imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Acebird
this fits right in line with what I'm trying to say. Many people grow old and feel that is evidence that their opinion is correct. Being able to retain an opinion for so many years doesn't ALWAYS mean it is right. It can also mean your opinion has never been challenged or you are a very stubborn person.
However many people grow old despite the bleak picture Acebird paints, and do keep an open mind, do contribute and interact with the world in a way that benefits us all. It's not right to lump those people in with the others.
Now my view of beekeeping may sound bleak, questioning if it's broken and listing problems, but it's only so that we can prepare to react and quickly as we have changed it. Beekeeping is rooted in a lot of history... a lot. However in the last 50 years we have guided breeding and shaped genetics, exposed hives to pests, viruses and chemicals. Human kind has a heavy hand in the survival of many species on this planet and to think there are people like sqkcrk oblivious to our effect on bees is terrifying.
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Originally Posted by Joes_bees
Maybe you know more than I, maybe you don't. That's why I asked you to enlighten me, relieve my oblivion. While you arew at it, would you please lighten up on the fear mongering. We may not be in "The Golden Age of Beekeeping", but for many of us things are pretty darn good. Bees are plentiful. Honey prices are Historically high even accounting for inflation or cost of living. Pollination needs are huge and growing and pollination fees are good.
So, what's w/ the doom and gloom? I'm not oblivious. I'm simply saying this is nothing new, historically speaking, and not only are things not that bad they will be fine in the future. Maybe it is you who are blind to how things are.
Well if you are not set in your ways or too stubborn that you can't be swayed...Quote:
Human kind has a heavy hand in the survival of many species on this planet and to think there are people like sqkcrk oblivious to our effect on bees is terrifying.
I think the human race might have an effect on the beekeeping industry but I do not believe it has any effect on the extinction of an insect, at least not at our present or near future population. We stand more a chance of killing ourselves off than any insect.
I just got this from my sister:
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The following write-up explains so much.
"Ever walk into a room with some purpose in mind, only to completely forget what that purpose was? Turns out, doors themselves are to blame for these strange memory lapses. Psychologists at the University of Notre Dame have discovered that passing through a doorway triggers what's known as an 'event boundary' in the mind, separating one set of thoughts and memories from the next. Your brain files away the thoughts you had in the previous room and prepares a blank slate for the new locale."
It's not aging that causes us to forget; it's the stupid door"!
Whew! Thank goodness for studies :)
Well, Ace, I was going to propose that if you modified your original post to eliminate the "older" insult, that I would modify my response to essentially endorse your post.
But you seem to enjoy tossing out gratuitous insults. How would your original post been less true without the "older generation" portion?
You post these kinds of insults on a regular basis, then when I later find them and repost your own quotes in a later thread, you complain that you are being insulted! But they are simply your own words!
Carry on!
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Have you taken any economics classes? What causes prices and demand to be high? The lack of supply.Quote:
Originally Posted by sqkcrk
Your point about fear mongering is well taken. I'm glad to hear things are good for you there in NY.
An optimistic economist may point to an increase in demand rather than a shortage of supply.
I don't think beekeeping is broke, we just have challenges that need to be overcome. A short term problem in the grand scheme of things.
I don't view myself as a fear monger, or doomsday sayer... people that know me think I'm generally happy and optimistic. It appears compared to the sentiment on the beesource forums I am. I guess I always thought the media was blowing things out of proportion, but this discussion is leading me to believe all the beekeepers out there are happy.
Am I suppose to believe those studying beekeeping at the universities are just fanning the flames to get more funding for their research?
Joe, well, actually I have, but that was a while ago. I also gained a two year degree in Beekeeping from Ohio State University's Ag Tech Institute under Dr. Jim Tew where I learn something about beekeeping history. Thus my nothing new comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joes_bees
I think you and I have a diametrically different point of view, mine being optomistic. I see by your profile that you are 26. Too young to have such an attitude about life.
My optomism isn't just in regards to what is happening here in NY. I actaully have experience working bees in a number of States over the last 36 years. I have also lost hundreds of colonies of bees in one year, going from 732 down to 100 and yet not given up. Stubbornly optomistic or whatever adjective you wish to submit.
Here's another thing to think on. Have you ever tried to eradicate anything? Disease, pest, animal, plant or whatever? Next to impossible. Unless there is a hugh amount of money and determination. If the Federal Government wished to eradicate honeybees for some reason it would be so hughly expensive and take so long that it wouldn't be worth it. So, honeybees are going to be here long after you and your grandchildren are dead and gone.
There is no lack of supply for those who want to have what they want. They may not be able to afford what they want, but that doesn't mean there is a shortage.
You still keeping bees? I hope so. Stick around and stick it out and you will be glad you did. I predict.
People are motivated to do all sorts of things for selfish reasons. Media hype has helped raise public awarness of the plight of beekeepers and gets people to watch the News and buy Newspapers. That's their business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joes_bees
Trust but verify. Take everything w/ a grain of salt. Question authority. All those things. Yes, Universitys do fan flames to a greater or lesser degree in order to justify getting funding. It's how the game is played. There could also be a problem which could be addressed by research which Universities are best able to find answers to. Some times not.
I see you're quick to bash the young as well as the elderly.
And apparently you have grown smarter than your teacher
taken from http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2171.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr. James E. Tew
Also I have tried to eradicate a few things. I work in the sterilization industry. Very hard to kill bad things, surprisingly easy to kill good things.
Says you. I don't post insults. It is a twist You try to spin not just with me. Practically every post you make that is a comment about me has a animated cartoon attached. What do you classify that as?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack
I have read my comment over as to it's insulting nature and see none of it. It is a fact of life. Maybe the truth hurts.
Please show me the quote where I bashed the young and the one where I bashed the elderly. Because I don't think I did either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joes_bees
Ar Jim's comments dated 2000? Is that what the "/2000/" in the Link address means? I know I am not smarter than Jim, though that is the goal of all Professors, or it should be.
Jim has an even wider point of view than I do, since he gets around and talks to more people than I do. But, I believe he would agree w/ me that things are pretty good right now relatively compared to what they have been like.
You seem to be taking this personally.
Good and bad are relative terms, often depending on one's point of view. Purpleloostrife is a weed to be eradicated from the pov of NYS DEC, but when beekeepers hear this being said we automatically think, "Hey, leave our nectar source alone. We have already lost so many."Quote:
Originally Posted by Joes_bees
Killing and eradicating are two different things too, as you appear to know.
if you right click on the page, view page information you'll see it was last modified on October 08, 2007. So yep, it's a bit old.
Man, you're right, glad that whole crisis was averted and bees are just fine now. I think I'm going to kick back and relax.
My Mom would prescribe a Chill Pill for you were she still alive. Get over yourself. Goodnight is right. I don't see why you can't respect the fact that we see things differently from different perspectives w/out getting snotty about it.
Have a nice life.
Huh. What about this thread? You yourself described your post as an insult!Quote:
Originally Posted by Acebird
And then there is this thread, where your post was so insulting that Barry deleted it. I did save a screenshot before it was deleted, but I am not going to post it here. Perhaps you remember this one? Its right after post #65 in the thread linked below:Quote:
Last edited by Acebird; 05-28-2012 at 07:24 AM. Reason: Removed insulting phrase
http://www.beesource.com/forums/show...nspector/page2
http://www.beesource.com/forums/show...g-advice/page4
You were making a comparison about the competence of a person based on the his ethnic heritage and the shade of skin. Does that ring a bell, Acebird?
There are more, but that will do for now. Lets move on to the Funny Pages.
Only some of the icons I use are animated. Perhaps you would like me to only use the icons that are static. Do you prefer this one? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Acebird
These icons are available to all members as far as I can tell. Are you really paranoid enough to believe that Barry provided those icons just so members could embarrass Acebird? :lpf:
Some of you guys sound like a bunch of bickering old hens.
Agree to disagree and go to the opposite corners of the boxing ring! lol