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I don't believe it would have any significant difference at all, even if you did it once a day.
I believe surgeons still wash their hands thoroughly before putting on gloves and some times more than one pair of gloves.
I don't know why I try to educate you, sometimes I think it can't be done. Not every surgery is done in a nice clean operating room. Sometimes equipment is use from one patient to the next without sterilization between uses. Emergency surgery on the battle field is quite different than what you might expect.
You are making an assumption that this would be the same. If you ding the box with the hive tool the spores are still encapsulated. A few spores might transfer to the hive tool but there could be a few there already. So I am not following your line of reasoning.Quote:
Would being in contact with deadly germs be OK once a day?
I am most honored that Ace takes time out his busy day to try educate little old me. But much like some of his other endeavors, Ace's venture into my education is going to fall short. I will be the smart-ass student in the back row correcting the teacher when he makes an error. :gh:
We annually scrap the insides of our supers to remove any build up of propolis and wax. We use a 2 inch wide paint scraper, and it leaves a 2 inch wide swatch of exposed wood. That sounds significant.
Does anyone know the spore level threshold for expression of clinical symptoms?
I'm thinking that its an acceptable risk to have encapsulated spores in a hive (your hive of course, not mine ;) ).....until the hive bodies and supers are no longer serviceable. About that time, the viable spores could see the light of day again as the wood disintegrates. It should be burned before that point. :)
Irradiation: Is an effective way of killing all of the spores without damaging your equipment, including frames with wax foundation.
you need to go to work for the USDA
.You can contact: USDA Beltsville Bee Research Laboratory and see what thier tell you
Bee Research is located at:
10300 BALTIMORE AVENUE
BLDG. 476, RM. 100, BARC-EAST Beltsville, MD 20705 USA
Or Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts
For me I will Irradiation about 60 Mi one way and about $15.00 a box.
I do not know if this is the only Co. in the USA that dose this or not
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I believe there is a place in PA where irradiation is done also. Irradiation of beekeeping equipment, primarily supers of infected comb, has been an acceptable and effective practice for sometime now. Twenty years or more.
It is my understanding that the equipment has to be individually placed in a plastic bag and inside a cardboard box. I don't know if that is true or not. Just something I have heard. So it could be wrong. Perhaps someone from MA knows.
I agree w/ Brian, that encapsulation should be an adequately effective means of handling AFB spores. It minimizes the availability of those spores, which would have to be picked up by bees when they were doing something to the walls of the super's interior, propolizing it?
Whether irradiation or hot wax dipping is worthwhile is something to question taking into consideration the possible risk of exposure of AFB spores regenerating the disease, the cost in time and money inherent in each procedure, the quality of the equipment, and how easy it is to simply burn or bury the infected equipment and buy new equipment to replace what is infected. I routinely burn uninfected equipment because I don't want it around and I'd like to increase the value of what I have.
I have a friend who has lots of boxes stenciled AFB ETO. Gives people a chuckle when they see it. And a pause too.
It takes 35 AFB spores fed to a honeybee larvae less than 53 hours old after egg hatch to infect at an LD50 rate. One spore has been found to infect newly hatched larva.
If you go to this site "http://www.montcobeekeepers.org/Pages/Irradiation.aspx" you'll see the details about what is required to have hive equipment irradiated. It's the club I belong to, Montgomery County PA Beekeepers.
Thanks. That's good to know.
IMHO If the comb as no good it is NOT Worth it .......
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Has anybody tried placing AFB or EFB infected equipment in a vacuum chamber for treatment?
At 10000 micron, the water in the bacteria would boil at room temperature, and wouldn't that destroy them completely?
Assuming the wax penetration is deep enough the spores are still captivated. The tool and scrapings I would sterilize. Lets get something straight, I am not suggesting you control AFB once it is found by wax coating. All I am saying is it sounds like it should work.
No Jim I didn't say that at all. I am saying there is still a risk that after a "sterilization process" it is possible to have live spores. Unlike the wax coating the wood is still cracked, checked or what ever which could harbor spores that made it through or new spores that came from the environment. I think the question is is sterilization done before an outbreak or after?Quote:
So Acebird Irradiation WILL NOT KILL AFB ???
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You can't use someones words to convict them. If it's good enuf for Romney, why not Brian?
Sorry Brian, I thought you wrote that too and shook my head when I read it. That darn text communication thing is tricky.