I believe Allen Dick encouraged people to use torula yeasr if they could, and he considered brewers yeast to be an inferior (but cheaper) substitute.
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I believe Allen Dick encouraged people to use torula yeasr if they could, and he considered brewers yeast to be an inferior (but cheaper) substitute.
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You may be right.
Net protein digestibility and growth promoting values of Bakers, Brewers and Torula Yeast
http://www.nfprotein.com/vijai/dx/torula-yeast
Regards,
Ernie
Here's another source.
Protein Bee Feeds and their economic use
By Peter Stace
The use of supplementary protein feeds for commercial bee keeping is not recommended unless there is a defined economic reason to have high performance hives. The margin of increase production is possibly 20-40% for honey production. Although, some strategic feeding when a high valued, high volume, but low pollen crop such as grey ironbark, or yellow box may give a higher return.
A number of commercially available products are suitable as protein bee feeds. These products may be used by beekeepers to supplement the naturally collected pollen coming through the bee hive entrance. The feed products recommended are: defat and expeller press soy flour, brewers and torula yeast, irradiated pollen, pollard, white sugar, malt, irradiated honey, vegetable oil and vitamin additives.
Each circumstance, due to floral sources and seasonal conditions will change the reason and the ingredients in a particular feeding situation.
The particular feeds, their uses, and the effect on the hive is as follows.
Torula or Brewers yeast are useful non floral protein for honey bees. These two yeasts are commercially available in either the dry form or in the case of Brewers yeast in a malt slurry. The crude protein content is 48-56%. Yeasts are good brood feed and stimulate breeding to occur. They are ideal in early spring or when the main task required of the bees is breeding, especially after a heavy honey flow or when package bees have been harvested. Yeasts have a problem in that they are expensive being $2-3 per kg.
Due to this cost problem, yeast should only make up to 10% of the ration fed to bees.
Regards,
Ernie
Well, it took me a little while. This chart may clear up some thoughts about yeasts and their uses!
Torula Yeast- The inactive primary yeast strain Candida utilis is grown on a wood sugar medium which is a by-product of paper production. Torula Yeast is a type of nutritional yeast, though not as high in nutrients as the others. Its blander taste lends itself for applications such as a flavouring in processed foods and pet foods.
Yeast Extract Spreads- This savory food paste is made from Brewers Yeast and various spice and vegetable extracts. It is processed so that it results in a salty, smooth, yeasty flavoured paste. A common food condiment in Australia (Vegemite), New Zealand and Britan, it has found less popularity in North America. It shares a similar nutritional profile with Brewers Yeast.
Nutritional Analysis of Inactive Yeasts per 16g (roughly 2TB)
Red Star Veg Support Flake & Engevita Brewer's Torula
Protein 8.34mg 7.41mg 8mg 8mg
B1 9.6mg 0.43mg 1.4mg n/a
B2 9.6mg 6.35mg 0.7mg 0.54mg
B3 56mg 2.69mg 5.3mg 7.54mg
B5 1.04mg 82.5mg 0.4mg 0.61mg
B6 9.6mg 0.5mg 0.6mg 0.224mg
B12 8mcg 4.46mcg 2mcg n/a
Folic Acid 240mcg 88mcg 240mcg 0.042mg
Calcium 11.2mg 13.84mg 59mg 0.011mg
Iron 0.77mg 1.84mg 1.5mg n/a
Potassium 320mg n/a 222mg n/a
Chromium <0.5mcg n/a 60mcg n/a
Zinc 3.2mg n/a 1.2mg 2.01mg
Magnesium 20.8mg n/a 33mg 0.067mg
Copper 0.128mg n/a 0.5mg 0.16mg
Regards,
Ernie
And, the winner is!
Nutritional Analysis of Inactive Yeasts per 16g (roughly 2TB)
Brewer's Torula
Protein 8mg 8mg
B1 1.4mg n/a
B2 0.7mg 0.54mg
B3 5.3mg 7.54mg
B5 0.4mg 0.61mg
B6 0.6mg 0.224mg
B12 2mcg n/a
Folic Acid 240mcg 0.042mg
Calcium 59mg 0.011mg
Iron 1.5mg n/a
Potassium 222mg n/a
Chromium 60mcg n/a
Zinc 1.2mg 2.01mg
Magnesium 33mg 0.067mg
Ernie:popcorn:
Here's some interesting data on the nutrition of chicks that can/could be transfered to honey bees:
SUMMARY
Diets containing corn gluten meal, cottonseed meal or pea
nut meal were fed to young chicks so that all the 20% crude
protein of each diet was provided by one of these concentrates.
Additions of various amino acids were made, and the effects
on growth and efficiency of gain were noted.
Corn gluten meal required the addition of arginine, lysine
and tryptophane in order to increase the rate of growth from
2% to slightly less than 6% per day. Cystine, glycine, methionine,
threonine and valine were already present in adequate
amounts.Supplementation of cottonseed meal with both methionine
and lysine increased the growth rate from 4% to 1%. The
methionine deficiency was found to be less marked than that
of lysine, a result which was expected from amino acid
analyses.
Peanut meal is lacking primarily in methionine, but is also
slightly deficient in lysine.
It seems that the diet requirements of a chick is similar to the honey bee.
Regards,
Ernie
Monday, 19 October 09
An update of the oils that I include in my Pollen supplements and Pollen substitutes.
I decided to add a fourth oil to my Pollen Supplement and Pollen Substitute patties to even out their oil contents and provide the bees with a better selection of fatty acids and sterols.Please note that I am discussing oils and not fats because fats are solid at room temperatures and oils are liquid.
I added the fourth oil 14 days ago and the bees consumed the patties completly.:)
Regards,
Ernie
Is anyone aware of this protein source?
hydrolysate /hy·drol·y·sate/ (hi-drol´ĭ-sāt) any compound produced by hydrolysis.
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protein hydrolysate a mixture of amino acids prepared by splitting a protein with acid, alkali, or enzyme; used as a fluid and nutrient replenisher.
Dorland's Medical Dictionary for Health Consumers. © 2007 by Saunders, an imprint of Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved.
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protein hydrolysate
n.
A sterile solution of amino acids and peptides prepared from a protein by acid or enzymatic hydrolysis and used intravenously for the maintenance of positive nitrogen balance in severe illness, after surgery of the alimentary tract, in the diets of infants allergic to milk, or as a high-protein dietary supplement.
The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
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hydrolysate
any compound produced by hydrolysis.
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protein hydrolysate
a mixture of amino acids prepared by splitting a protein with acid, alkali or enzyme. Such preparations provide the nutritive equivalent of the original material in the form of its constituent amino acids and are used in special diets or for patients unable to take the ordinary food proteins.
Saunders Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionary, 3 ed. © 2007 Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved
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Here's a product lable.
What's in Supplement Direct Whey Protein Hydrolysate?2 Lbs.
Supplement Facts
Serving Size1/3Cup(28.35g)
Servings Per Container32
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Calories 105
Calories From Fat 0
Trans Fatty Acids 0mg
Total Fat 0g
Saturated Fat 0mg
Monounsaturated Fat 0mg
Polyunsaturated Fat 0mg
Sodium 43mg
Total Carbohydrate 1g
Sugars 0g
Protein 26g
Vitamin A 0%
Calcium 0%
Vitamin C 2%
Iron 0%
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet
† Daily Value not established
Ingredient
Pure Multiple Reaction, Sequential, Enzymatic Hydrolyses.
Comments?
regards,
Ernie
Nutritional Analysis of Brewers yeast per 16g (roughly 2TB)
Brewer's
Protein 8mg
B1 1.4mg
B2 0.7mg
B3 5.3mg
B5 0.4mg
B6 0.6mg
B12 2mcg
Folic Acid 240mcg
Calcium 59mg
Iron 1.5mg
Potassium 222mg
Chromium 60mcg
Zinc 1.2mg
Magnesium 33mg
After reading the above list, you can see why vitamins are added to the supplement.
Regards,
Ernie
This is the lab analysis for the Diamond V brewers yeast. They offer a few different ones, but this is the most common stocked at the feed stores. At least around here. I have read that this is not the desired flake size, but it can be but though a grinder to get desired size.Quote:
Originally Posted by BEES4U
The analysis is per pound.
http://www.diamondv.com/products/pro...04_XP_3-04.pdf
STUCK KEYThis is the lab analysis for the Diamond V brewers yeast.
Thanks for the information. I will add it to my notes.
Crude protein, not less than 12% means that you have to bump the % higher with something.
makes me happy to get my 40% brewers yeast from Los Angeles Honey Company!
Ernie
Yeah I was looking at the Soy isolate to bump up the %, or eggs since I get those free.Quote:
Originally Posted by BEES4U
Yeah I was looking at the Soy isolate to bump up the %, or eggs since I get those free.
I have a stuck key and the % did not strike
Pure Soy Isolate is 90% crude protein and it the 3rd item listed in many "muscle building' diet foods.
Dried egg yolks are about 37% crude protein and they add some very essential cholesterols.
Myself, I would use them both to cover the protein needs of the bees.
Regards,
Ernie
Thanks for all the info. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by BEES4U
FYI Big Ernie, Dried egg, 45% protein 40% fat.Quote:
Originally Posted by BEES4U
Bacon & eggs, now were loggin Hambone. :)
Nutritional data For:
Eggs, Dried, Yolks
Nutrition and Calories in Egg Yolk (Dried)
Water content (grams per 100g) 2.95
Calorie content of Food (kcals per 100g/3.5oz) 666
Protein content (grams per 100g) 34.25
Fat content (lipids) (grams per 100g) 55.8
Ash content (grams per 100g) 3.4
Carbohydrate content (grams per 100g) 3.6
Dietary Fiber content (grams per 100g) 0
Sugar content (grams per 100g) 3.6
Regards,
Ernie
I could probably use the drippings instead of Canola oil to raise the fat % :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett
This might be dumb, but I am going to ask anyway. I searched and did not see anything on it. I was feeding my baby this morning and was mixing her cereal. Noticed the flakes and was thinking this might be used instead of brewers yeast. Price wise it's about $3 per pound. (Cheaper than the b.y. at the health stores) Don't know if they can digest it though? The fat and protien would need to be bumped too. The Nutrition Facts is % Daily Value and not grams or mg's per. I can probably get that though.
List of ingredients:
OAT FLOUR, TRI– AND DICALCIUM PHOSPHATE,SOY OIL-LECITHIN, MIXED TOCOPHEROLS (TO PRESERVE FRESHNESS), ELECTROLYTIC IRON, ZINC SULFATE, ALPHA TOCOPHERYL ACETATE (VITAMIN E), NIACINAMIDE (A B VITAMIN), PYRIDOXINE HYDROCHLORIDE (VITAMIN B6), RIBOFLAVIN (VITAMIN B2), THIAMIN MONONITRATE (VITAMIN B1), FOLIC ACID (A B VITAMIN),VITAMIN B12 (CYANOCOBALAMIN)
Nutrition Facts
http://www.gerber.com/Products/Singl...-8f5a3c73bb4e#
This is the lab analysis per 4 tablespoons of Gerber Single Grain Oatmeal. Which is basically Oat Flour with added nutrients.
Total lipid (fat) 1 g
Carbohydrate, by difference 10 g
Fiber, total dietary 1 g
Sugars, total 2 g
Calcium, Ca 150 mg
Iron, Fe 8.1 mg
Phosphorus, P 150 mg
Potassium, K 50 mg
Zinc, Zn 3 mg
Thiamin 0.375 mg
Riboflavin 0.5 mg
Niacin 5 mg
Vitamin B-6 0.5 mg
Vitamin B-12 1.5 mcg
Vitamin E, added 4.5 m
From the ABJ: Volumes 14-15 Page 559
Feeding Flour.
Quote:
Question : Is it advisable to use rye flour in the spring ?
Geo. Bischoff. My bees are very fond of it; they got so that they looked for it every time I came into the yard. Some think it is injurious.
II. Brown. 1 have never fed rye ; I take sugar syrup and stir in wheat flour until it is quite thick, then let it cool till it is hard, like candy, in pans. I then turn these pans over the frames, under the quilts.
J. W. Barlow. I use oat and rye flour, oat flour and corn meal together ; -the bees used bushels of it.
W. F. Bell. I like the unbolted rye flour best; 1 fed 160 Ibs. of it last spring, about February.
E. C. Crane. Have fed rye and corn meal I think they rear brood faster with it.