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Eek-a-beek
02-16-2011, 03:39 PM
:banana: Chewing Juicy Fruit gum while working your hives can get you severely stung. Do you know someone who the bees seem to hate, who is often getting stung when nobody else is attacked? Do you know their shampoo? Soap? Perfume?

Banana oil is a hazardous material because it provokes bee attacks. Any product containing it should have a warning label. This is especially critical in light of the advancing killer bee invasion. Although proving it is problematical, it can be taken as common sense obvious that some people have already died because they had banana oil on them. It is used in suntan lotions, soaps, shampoos, and even in Juicy Fruit gum.

Banana oil or isoamyl acetate is an artificial banana flavor. It goes by many names, see the list here.

http://webbook.nist.gov/cgi/cbook.cgi?Name=Isoamyl_acetate&Units=SI

It is in many products such as Juicy Fruit gum, nail polish, soap, shampoo, and candles. Here are more examples:

http://www.thefind.com/beauty/info-banana-oil
http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1006711.html

Isoamyl acetate is well known to be the alarm pheromone released by bees when they sting and that it recruits other bees to attack as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_bee_pheromones#Alarm_pheromone
http://www.biologydaily.com/biology/Pheromone_%28honey_bee%29

All products with this dangerous compound should be clearly labelled with an explicit warning about the nature of the threat. It is truly surprising that they are not. In fact the marketers of some products like Juicy Fruit gum refuse even to admit to their use of it which is blatantly, if not criminally, irresponsible.

Ted Kretschmann
02-16-2011, 04:41 PM
Eek, are we talking about a Dole or Chaquita banana?:)

Eek-a-beek
02-16-2011, 05:18 PM
@TK LOL! Banana oil is totally artificial and not from bananas at all; lets just hope that neither of those companies are spraying their bananas with it to make them more appealing.

But it is no joking matter really. In AHB zones there is the risk that when people get attacked and stung multiple times, the bees may be blamed and colonies destroyed. This could happen to your hives and it would just be wrong. Public ignorance and a cavalier attitude by those who know are yet more enemies that the honeybees do not need during these challenging times. They should be opposed. Banana oil is a menace on which a spotlight should be shined.

Ted Kretschmann
02-16-2011, 11:13 PM
Eek, I have not gone "bananas" yet in the head. But I will look at the bar of soap I use to see if it has isoamyl acetate in it. Might be better to stink like a goat working bees. TK

PCM
02-17-2011, 07:58 AM
So much too worry about these computer days !

Sure glad I have had my computer only about 5 years, If I had all this information before that, I'm sure I would have never made these 72 years.

If I keep reading all this stuff, I guess I will have to join this Scared generation !

PCM :ot:

valleyman
02-17-2011, 08:51 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_bee_pheromones#Alarm_pheromone
http://www.biologydaily.com/biology/Pheromone_%28honey_bee%29

All products with this dangerous compound should be clearly labelled with an explicit warning about the nature of the threat. It is truly surprising that they are not. In fact the marketers of some products like Juicy Fruit gum refuse even to admit to their use of it which is blatantly, if not criminally, irresponsible.

This is no laughing matter. My neighbor used to keep bees until his wife was attacked one day and stung about the face and head. She made him quit. Don't blame her. But something like this was the likely cause. I don't think we can ever get the necessity of a warning recognized. In our society the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and there is not enough of us to agree in unison to get the wheel to squeak loud enough. We all had better hope that our neighbor doesn't use any of this stuff, or for that matter come close to our bees after eating bannanas. Good luck to all.

Cedar Hill
02-17-2011, 09:36 AM
Glass half full.... Imagine a tiny drop of isoamyl acetate placed precisely on that arthritic joint that needs attention might center the attention of the bees.... OMTCW

msapostol
02-17-2011, 11:32 AM
Hmmm...I wonder if it's related to that smell that the bees give off when they're in attack mode. It sort of smells like bananas.

Eek-a-beek
02-17-2011, 12:51 PM
@msapostol

Hmmm...I wonder if it's related to that smell that the bees give off when they're in attack mode. It sort of smells like bananas.

It is exactly that. Bees use isoamyl acetate to signal each other to attack. When you smell bananas then smoke them to cover up the smell or, if you are not suited up then retreat.

Eating real bananas is safe because they do not naturally have isoamyl acetate in them. But, you can imagine what will happen if someone comes by to see your hives after burning banana scented candles in their kitchen so the smell has permeated their clothing.

D Coates
02-17-2011, 02:56 PM
No hippie candes in the house, check. Find something more serious to worry about, check. ;)

FRAMEshift
02-17-2011, 08:52 PM
@msapostol
Eating real bananas is safe because they do not naturally have isoamyl acetate in them.
Bananas do contain Isoamyl acetate. That's why they smell the way they do. Isoamyl acetate can be produced artifically and added to other products, which will then smell like bananas. It has been often reported that people who eat bananas while working bees are likely to be attacked.

"For example, the ester that gives a banana its smell is called isoamyl acetate, and the formula for it is CH3COOC5H11."
---- http://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/nose-throat/question139.htm

Eek-a-beek
02-18-2011, 12:59 AM
@FRAMEshift: Thanks for the correction. I do not know where I got the impression that isoamyl acetate was strictly artificial. But, it turns out you are quite right. The following links all confirm that indeed banana fruit contains this chemical. That means banana itself is something to avoid when around bees.

http://ddr.nal.usda.gov/handle/10113/22452
"Gas chromatography-mass spectrometry...used to determine the aromatic composition...of commercial banana essence and fresh banana fruit paste....A total of 42 components appear to contribute to the aromatic profile in banana. Isoamyl acetate,.."

The following also mention banana fruit and isoamyl acetate.

http://departments.oxy.edu/tops/esters/esterspre-post.htm
http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/ethylacetate/ethylh.htm

honeyshack
02-18-2011, 06:32 AM
When working bees, during the breaks, I eat bananas all the time. 2-4 a day. I drink so much water, I need the bananas for the postasium. I have not seen a difference in bee behaviour. Most of my hives are pretty gentil. Maybe it's because i sweat so much, they can't smell the banana...who knows

Ted Kretschmann
02-18-2011, 06:59 AM
Eek, Like I said earlier in the thread, it might pay to smell like a goat that a banana flavored bar of soap while working bees. TK

Nabber86
02-18-2011, 08:39 AM
Are there really that many banana scented candles and soaps out there? My wife and I have been making candles and soap for years and have used all kinds of essential oils and fragrances. I am sure isoamyl acetate is readily available (as a flavoring agent it is cheap and easy to synthesize), but I donít recall seeing a lot of it (or any) offered on any of the dozens of websites that I frequent for soap/candle supplies.

I like to eat bananas and I like banana bread, but the thought of lathering up in the morning shower with a bar of banana scented soap sounds kinda gross.

Eek-a-beek
02-18-2011, 11:28 AM
@Nabber86
This is a product you can add to your candles.
http://www.brambleberry.com/Banana-Fragrance-Oil-10-lbs-P3915.aspx

Here are some banana products people who visit your apiary may have used earlier in the day. It is unlikely that a honeybee warning appears anywhere on their labels, brochures, or advertising.
CANDLES:
http://www.kaylomacandles.com/fragrances/banana_scented_candle.htm
http://candlesbycreation.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=45&products_id=37
http://www.yumsugar.com/Paula-Deen-Candles-Love-Hate-1796552
INCENSE:
http://scentsations4u.com/banana_incense.htm
http://www.theincensestore.com/online_store/tulasi-incense-sticks-banana.cfm
SHAMPOO:
http://www.cofbath.com/Retail/Shampoos/Ana-Banana-Shampoo_2
http://www.thebodyshop.ca/bananashampoo.html
SOAP:
http://www.luisanewyork.com/store/product34.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/24354948/cocoa-butter-banana-soap
http://www.lushusa.com/shop/products/bath-shower/soap/banana-moon
PERFUME:
http://www.perfume.com/demeter/banana-flambee/women-perfume
http://www.etsy.com/listing/53963178/banana-coconut-body-splash-and-hair

Nabber86
02-18-2011, 12:36 PM
Banana incense? Is that anything like inthe Donovan song Mellow Yellow?