2011 Super Duty

[Barry]

Anyone seen the newest offering from Ford for their Super Duty? I went truck shopping today.

http://www.fordvehicles.com/2011superduty/

6 speed trans and a 6.2 V8. I've had their V10 since 1999 because I thought their V8 was undersized. They're making some good offers on 2010's to get rid of inventory. My 350 is 6 years old and it might be the right time to upgrade.

[JPK]

6.7 Diesel with PTO........:drool:

[Barry]

They've significantly reduced the diesel noise on the '11. I might actually consider one if they have also addressed the fumes.

[JPK]

They are using DPF's on most all of the new diesels since ~2007

Combine the Diesel Particulate Filters on the exhaust with the cutover to ULSD (sub 15ppm sulphur content) in 2007 and its not your daddy's diesel anymore.

I'll take a compression ignition engine any day over spark...simpler, generally last a LOT longer.

Lets not forget safety...in a bad accident that includes a fuel spill you effectively eliminate your chance of immolation in a Diesel vehicle compared to a Gasser.

The downside is cost up front....

[Barry]

I've been behind Ford diesel pickups enough to know it's not a pleasure, especially during the warm months when windows are down. I'm talking within the last few years. I know they had to redesign their diesel for '11 because it didn't meet the new emissions. So perhaps it will be an improvement from what I've experienced.

I'm not sure what good a 250,000 mile engine does when the rest of the truck is good for 150,000. If you put a lot of miles on a truck, fine. All my work is very local so I average 10,000 miles a year. The body on a vehicle won't last much beyond 15 years around here. That's why I usually don't keep a truck much beyond 6 years for work. Rust is starting to show up on mine now.

It all comes down to cost for me.

[JPK]

I drive more miles which is why its more economical for me.

I've not experienced the body rot issues you describe and we use a buttload of salt up here, some folks use additional "treatments" each year to nuetralize the salt and protect the underbody.

I've never been bothered by the diesel exhaust issue....maybe its because I spend more time at speed and try to be in front of them :D

My commuter vehicle is a diesel and have not had any issues...even down to -28 degrees. I also use a fuel additive but no plug in....starts right up.

The cost of adding a diesel to a truck is absurd and imo Ford and others are way over charging for the option.

Frankly I'm hoping Toyota will start importing the diesels they've been using overseas for the last 30 years....if they were to do that I would buy one without a second thought

[Ben Brewcat]

Mmmm.... yummy!

[swabby]

I have a 6.0 diesel with 68,000 2003. There was some trouble with the early models of these. Mine is a late year 2003 after the 04 were out. The longlife of this engine according to the dieselstop.com is changing oil regular especially if heavy hauling. Since I bought my diesel the oil companies have had to make changes of getting more sulphur out making all burn cleaner. Hence the spike in diesel fuel prices over regular unleaded gasoline. I like the old 7.3 but like mention in aearlier post they were noisey and smelled awful as the old greyhound buses did when I was kid.My mileage rate is 21.1 mpg
I have also bought a 2006 VW Jetta diesel that gets 50mpg on interstate. Have a beautiful day. God loves you :applause:

[Barry]

I get 11 mpg with my V10. That part sucks, but I have always enjoyed having enough power under the hood to move a 1 ton truck constantly loaded down, with ease. One would have to figure the cost of fuel by the mpg to know if it would offset the extra $7000 it costs to buy a diesel. Unless one is doing a lot of towing, I just can't see it being a better choice over a gas engine. I'd say over 75% of diesels that are in pickups are overkill and never get used to their potential.

Swabby, what size is your diesel truck? What kind of driving are you doing with it? Usually loaded or unloaded? If only a Jetta could carry a half ton load of lumber, I'd drive that!

[FishmanMike]

I have a 02 f250 7.4 has 201ooo miles on it. Runs like a charm and body is as good as new,except for a few scrapes and scratches.Every thing on this truck works and i strongly disagree with someone saying the body last only 150000mi.Irun my own construction co and I assure you I have not babied this truck. It has pulled a10000lb boat 170 mi to the coast many times,towed dump trailers,and a 28ft camper all over n.c,s.c.,and v.a on a regular baises.Iget 18mpg driving around home and can get 21 on the highway if I stay under 65mph.Eat your heart out gass burners.:banana::banana:

[Barry]

It's not a matter of strongly disagreeing. Maybe for where you live and the way you take care of your truck, the body will last longer. Like I said, mine is 7 years old and starting to rust. Hmmm, you're also putting 25,000 miles on your truck a year. You won't do that driving around town so you're putting a different wear and tear on your truck than I am. I know a lot of guys that "use" their trucks for work in construction. They drive it to and from work, with about 100 pounds of tools in the back. When I had a SD 250 I was maxed out on the weight with the amount of tools I carry with me. Went to a 350. Hauling that load day in and day out takes a toll on a truck. Is that what you do?

[cow pollinater]

I had an 05 F250 that I traded in with only eighty thousand on it. I do alot of quick stops with idle time in between and then eighty mile an hour runs to the next stop. I carry about six hundred pounds of liquid nitrogen plus odds and ends. The most I ever got out of it was twelve mpg.
Now I have an '08 and it does handle my needs much better. It drives like a light truck but gets decent milage no matter what I'm doing. It's not the kind of diesel truck I'm used to, but it's okay. It actually handles my stock trailer better than the 05 did.

[FishmanMike]

My truck gets used as a real truck not just trans to or from a job.Theres always materials to be picked up .As I said before I don't baby my truck.About half my driving is in town.I do a lot of towing,tractors,bobcats,boats campers,stuck tractor tralors making delivers,loaded dumsters in my way.The diff is a$20,252 savings on fuel at todays prices at 11mpg verses 18mpg at my milage.:popcorn:

[bluegrass]

Can it haul 15000 lbs of rock on one load?

Does it cost zip, zero, nada at the fuel pump?

Guess I will stick with my m35a2. :D

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a343/smithie128/100_1912.jpg

[sqkcrk]

Barry, I missed the part where you mentioned the price of a new 2011 F450.

The dealer where I got my Transit Connect, at the time, told me that he would give me trade in value equal to what I still owe on my 2005 F-450. If that is still true in about 2 or 3 months I may take him up on it.

[Barry]

The diff is a$20,252 savings on fuel at todays prices at 11mpg verses 18mpg at my milage.

Wow, that's quite a number. Let's see your math.

[sqkcrk]

My truck gets used as a real truck not just trans to or from a job.Theres always materials to be picked up .As I said before I don't baby my truck.About half my driving is in town.I do a lot of towing,tractors,bobcats,boats campers,stuck tractor tralors making delivers,loaded dumsters in my way.The diff is a$20,252 savings on fuel at todays prices at 11mpg verses 18mpg at my milage.:popcorn:

What truck do you have? Gas or diesel? All paved roads? I need 4 wheel drive every now and then. Or a tow truck. I get 9 mpg w/ my F-450 Superduty Diesel 4 Wheel Drive 5 speed manual transmition. Loaded or empty, trailer and Bobcat or not. Maybe a little better w/ just thye truck, but not miles better.

[bluegrass]

I need 4 wheel drive every now and then. I get 9 mpg w/ my F-450 Superduty Diesel 4 Wheel Drive 5 speed manual transmition. Loaded or empty, trailer and Bobcat or not.

I have 6 wheel drive. I get 10-11 MPGs loaded or not. It's a Turbo multi-fuel compression ignition engine so it will run on diesel, gasoline, kerosene motor oil, hydraulic fluid, automatic transmission fluid, mineral spirits and about a dozen other liquid hydrocarbons.

Yes it is loud, and not comfortable, no power steering, too loud for a radio, no AC, but the windshield does open and top comes off. Max speed is 55 mph, but with larger tires they can be brought up to 70 mph.

Nothing Ford builds can even compete with perfection :D

[sqkcrk]

Okay, yes, I have 6 wheel drive too. Unless the difference is that you have a third axle.

What kind of truck do you have? Make and model? Do you fill the tank w/ a mixture of all of those types of fuel at one time? Or are you leading us on?

[Barry]

No, don't ask him that, he has already tried to hijacked the thread. :no:
The title is 2011 Super Duty, not "My m35a2"
He's in a completely different category and most likely all by himself with that truck. :D

[suttonbeeman]

Would love to have one of theose new fords with a REAL diesel ....cummins. my 98 12v cummins is heading toward 400k never touched it...19 mpg 15 with swinger 10 loaded at 24k.
Had a 01 powerjoke...spend 4k onit and it still wanst worth a crap, loved the truck but not the powerjoke. If they run right no porblem,,,,if not big problems. I heard in 2011 ford was making their own diesel..hope so!

[bluegrass]

Not hijacking the tread... many previous posts were made prior to mine where people compared their "not 2011 Fords" to the 2011 Ford... so how is my post different?

To answer the question I run a mixture of ATF, Motor oil and Hydraulic fluid that I get from a trucking company when they replace their fluids. I don't know what the exact mixture is % wise. I still have to pay the fuel tax, but that is far less than the 3.00 a gallon for diesel. The down side being that the range is about 500 miles on a tank so if I travel farther than that I have to buy diesel fuel.

I have 6x6 because the truck has three axles with air shift T-case.

[Barry]

I have a 02 f250 7.4 has 201ooo miles on it. <snip>
I get 18mpg driving around home and can get 21 on the highway if I stay under 65mph.

That's interesting. After spending some time on a couple of Powerstroke forums, most of what I read were complaints from owners getting mileage of 12 to 14 mpg. Even the dealer today said the 6.4L gets 12 to 14 mpg with a 3.55.

"If I would have known the fuel mileage I get with pulling my trailer, I would have never gotten into this truck. Truck looks great, pulls beautifully but sucks the diesel."

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"Fuel mileage isnt that great stock ( I get about 14mpg) but I did my research before I bought it and knew what to expect"

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According to your sig, your truck is 50 state ILLEGAL. I can see why you claim to get the mileage you do as most people don't remove those items in fear of losing the warranty or having emissions inspections (which by the way is being implemented for all states soon). That engine could never get that mileage with the emissions equipment installed, hence why only DPF-less trucks get better mileage. Removal of the DPF constitutes voiding the warranty, which no smart person would do on ANY warranted Ford diesel. The warranty is EVERYTHING on these trucks. We all know how expensive and problematic they are when they do break. I owned a 6.0L pile-o-crap that I shoved right back up fords you-know-what after 7 months of ownership. The truck put more miles on a flatbed than it did on itself. Traded for a reliable, quiet, more-than-capable gas truck.

This thread posted in the 6.4L forum shows some 6.4L owners that DO NOT GET 17-18 mpg.
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/82...e-reflash.html (http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/824271-better-mileage-since-reflash.html)
Most are getting 12-14 mpg, thats near the mileage of a V10.

A 6.4 costs well over a "couple grand" difference over a V10. We're talking somewhere to the order of $6k. I could perform "wonders" on a V10 with $3k or less.

[devdog108]

I looked at the new ones as well. My wifes Dad retired from Ford, so we get the discounts and all, but, all of the Fords i have had have started falling apart at 60-80k. Thats what has plauged me for our last 3 vehicles. That being said, I decided to buy a new Tundra with the 5.7l V-8. Have the Crewmax Large, loaded OOD for 36k. Lifetime warranty on drivetrain and transmission. Averaging 18 mpg in and around Atlanta thus far. Rides like a dream. Its a 3/4 ton, and can haul 10k lbs. It's really a nice truck. How it does between 60-80k will say it all to me.

[sqkcrk]

I have 6x6 because the truck has three axles with air shift T-case.

Make and Model?

[bluegrass]

Make and Model?

1989 AM General M35A2C

[Barry]

Are there no other Powerstroke 6.4L owners out there? It would take a LONG time to recoup $8,000 by saving only a few mpg over a gas engine.

[WATCHONYX]

I own a contracting company and we have nothing but fords.
All the vans are gasoline, all the trucks are Diesel.
WHile it cost more to buy the diesels, they maintain there value in resale/trade in. We have Rack body, utility body, bucket trucks and pickups. Mileage on the trucks ranges from terrible to excellent. All the trucks are loaded all the time. THe trucks work, we have put these places you wouldnt even walk. Overall we cant complain at all about Ford trucks (f350-F650), in fact we are impressed with the duability overall. We had a brief stint with Dodge, which we pretty much determined to be disposables.
Within a couple of weeks, we will be getting a few new f350 PU all diesel.
The incentives right now make it worth it.

[Bodo]

Don't know if this helps or not, but all of the Contractor customers have Fords and they are all diesel. Filters are cheaper for the fords over the Chevy, that's for sure!

[Barry]

Mileage on the trucks ranges from terrible to excellent.

I'm interested in a 350 (if you have one) and knowing what year it is and what engine it has. Do you have real numbers as far as mileage goes?