HFCS question

[swabby]

I have contacted a local candy company who says he will sell me some corn syurp at his cost if I buy a (tote ?)2200 #.
Can anyone answer what would be a decent price for this amount? It's getting expensive buying grandulated sugar from the store. Thanks for your input.
He has not sent me a price yet so thats why I trying to stay a head of him.

[Gene Weitzel]

I paid around $26.00 per hundred wt for HFCS 55 when I picked up about 1500# at Cargill's Houston facility.

[JohnK and Sheri]

We paid .22 last truckload. Anywhere between a nickel to a dime per pound to break it down I would consider reasonable.
Sheri

[beeman]

Paid .22 last spring also.

[swabby]

So .10 per pound would be reasonable for 2200# X .10 =$220 .I think I could go that ,however on another thread someone said it would have to be watered down to keep for an extended time. He mentioned a dry type fruitose, one would have to mix. This person told me about this quite sometime ago but I am just getting back with him.
I suppose from what I remember he bought it to add to his candy but corn syurp has become unpopular due to the digesting problems .
This ( HFCS) is all new to me. I'm trying to help our local bee club as well as myself. Some one also mentioned a number 55 in their responce ????? Thanks

[beedeetee]

What Sheri is saying is that you can buy it for $0.22/lb by the truck load. You would have to pay an additional $0.05 to $0.10 to have it broken into smaller batches. So $0.27 to $0.32/lb.

[BEES4U]

I paid $0.31/Lb for Type 55 HFCS, September 2009, at the Los Angeles Honey Company.
They filled my syrup tank with 1,290 pounds.
Regards,
Ernie

[hpm08161947]

How long does HFCS "Keep"...... assuming it is just put into a big plastic tank?

[soupcan]

.23 yesterday for a load.
Bad thing is we are only 15 miles from the plant.
Same price is charged if you are 500 miles from the plant.

[jim lyon]

Just had a load delivered for $22.* Cargill and ADM must be doing well, corn is about 1/2 what it was this spring but so far syrup prices have remained the same.* Don't you just love how they announce price increases at the same time?

[honeyshack]

we paid .23cents a pound for 67% HFCS. Canadian dollars.

[jean-marc]

Honeyshack:

How did you get 67% HFCS as it is delivered 77%? Did you purchase it from someone who had diluted it?

Jean-Marc

[soupcan]

Yup , awful sad, the neighbor was making fun of what a drum of honey is worth and then he found out what we had to pay for HFC.
The punch line is that this is were he sells most of his crop.

[Flyman]

Swabby,

Most candy companies use GLUCOSE. This is what they call corn syrup. HFCS is not the same thing and burns too quickly for use in most candy formulas. If I remember correctly, HFCS 55 is 55 percent fructose and 45 percent glucose. Glucose is, well, glucose with little or no HFCS. Never feed pure glucose. Don't know if the bees would like it or what the effect would be. Make sure you are comparing apples.

[soupcan]

Our trucker told us while unloading the he had just hauled a load of 45/45.
He told us it went to a candy company, it is very thick & must be shipped at 135 or so degrees.
We have never heard of this stuff untill the other day.

[Flyman]

When glucose gets cold (below about 50) you can actually cut it with a knife.

[Focus on Bees]

It was asked before; how do you store this corn syrup ? Is there something you could add to make it last all summer ? I am thinking about getting an amount myself too, which brings me to this . Where can we get some locally in Wisconsin ? would you know Sheri?:s

[Keith Jarrett]

This maybe off topic, but, I would not feed straight hfcs at all, instead I would get the blend type 42 hfcs & sucrose 50/50. This will not ganulate and come in at 77%.

Can you just imagine those poor bees digging out that hard ganulated corn syrup in the middle of Dec.

[Roland]

For HFCS in Wisconsin, call Dean Lapp at 1-800-321-1960, and NO you can not have the barrels I am to pick up on Monday.

Roland

[JohnK and Sheri]

Where can we get some locally in Wisconsin ? would you know Sheri?:s

Yes, we have it here. You can bring containers and we will fill them from the tank. If HFCS55 has 10% water added it will not granulate and it doesn't ferment. You just need to be careful not to overheat it.
Sheri

[Beeslave]

Here is another supplier for WI

John Smith
715-283-4843
Eau Galle, WI 54737

[rainesridgefarm]

Is anyone buying and using Liquid Sucrose for feed in the spring. I have some I can get but it is 24.5 cents a lb in a 70% solution so that comes to about 35 cents dry. have to buy a full tanker load to get that price. any feedback

[John Smith]

Liquid Sucrose is a very satisfactory syrup in my opinion. I mainly use it when rearing queens, so the cost factor is less crucial, but the bees take it straight if you wish, or diluted as appropriate, so it is very easy to use.

When used at 66% for autumn feeding, it does take a toll on bee populations, just as surely as gathering a crop of honey would, but in the absence of brooding, the hive has no replacements coming along, so bee strength is challenged.

This is true of all supplemental feeding, in my opinion. So far, This point doesn't seem to be considered in the CCD studies.

In Australia, 66% is the standard grade.

Cheers,
JohnS

[soupcan]

We have half a tanker load left here in Nebraska if anyone close by is looking.
Bees are real heavy & the next weeks forecast does not look to be worth a flip for feeding bees!

[brooksbeefarm]

I'm not in the same league with you guy's (only 60 hives) but was wondering if you mix Honey B Healthy in the HFCS will it keep it from granulating as fast. Jack

[rainesridgefarm]

you need to add 10% water to it to stop it from granulating. that is if it is hfcs 55. But the lemongrass oil in hbh helps stop it from forming mold if to much water is added.

[brooksbeefarm]

you need to add 10% water to it to stop it from granulating. that is if it is hfcs 55. But the lemongrass oil in hbh helps stop it from forming mold if to much water is added.


I get my HFCS from a club member (in 5gal. buckets), he told me it is 81%, I pour in 1gal. of water (using 2 buckets:D) that i think makes it about 2 to 1 and i add 1tbls. HBH per gal. What's your take on this, to much or not enough. Thanks in advance. Jack

[rainesridgefarm]

I think a 10% dilution to hold it from crystalizing is good. For feeding in the spring if you want to water it down more that is O.K. but for fall feeding 10% is perfect so they have little work to dry it down to store.

[Keith Jarrett]

I think a 10% dilution to hold it from crystalizing is good. For feeding in the spring if you want to water it down more that is O.K. but for fall feeding 10% is perfect so they have little work to dry it down to store.

A 77% thick 50/50 is much better, type 42 / surcrose.

[brooksbeefarm]

Thanks for the info. I hear so much talk about the good and bad things of HFCS that i didn't know whether to use it or not. I used it a few years ago (straight 81%) The next spring it was granulated in the frames what was left. I'm paying $13.25 for a five gal. bucket ( it makes 6 gal.), but of course i'm buying the bucket to. Thanks again. Jack

[swabby]

Thanks for all the comments, I am :doh: for sure now. The guy from the candy company never did get back with me ,as he said he would . I am now trying to buy sugar from a sugar refiney within a 100 miles of my house. However they say I need to go through the corperate office in Texas. I just wanted the spilled dirty sugar off the floor .

[sdracer12]

Anyone know of a HFCS supplier in the Eastern South Dakota area where I could buy it on a small scale, in 5 gal buckets, or 30/55 gal drums? thanks.

[alpha6]

Sdracer,

Check with some bigger beeks in your area that order by the truck load. They are usually willing to sell by the barrel to other local beeks. I know around here that's how it works.