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dave28210
07-29-2009, 05:35 PM
Like many folks in the Southeast, I have been battling the SHB. This is my first year beekeeping, and I got 2 nucs from the same source. They are in the same location and I have been having trouble out of one from the start. (They are both getting requeened in September, so no worries on that).

However, the hive on the right has always been weaker, while the other hive fills out anything I give them. I tried giving brood to pep up the weaker hive, and it worked--somewhat. So of course in their weakened state the SHB moved in and has been causing some serious trouble. The stronger hive has got some of the SHBs as well, but the girls seem to have the numbers to take care of themselves. Bees from both hives have been chasing the beetles around, and dragging larvae out the entrance in droves.

Here is what I have done so far:

Upon escalation of the SHB population in the weaker hive, I decided that since the girls were taking their sweet time filling out their second deep (The bottom deep was a long time coming, but now is beautiful and full), and spending more time chasing the beetles than doing "their thing," that I would confine things a bit. They are well into the top brood box, so removal was not at all an option. I have had landscaper's drop cloths below and around the hives a few feet since day one of nuc installation.

So the compromise on space was this: laying newspaper between the two boxes, as though I was combining two weaker hives. I used 3 layers of newspaper so it would take a bit longer for the bees to chew through. I then took a piece of newspaper, folded it in half to fit the recess in my screened bottom board. I poked holes with a toothpick to let at least some air through. I use screened inner covers here as well. So I cut ventilation considerably, literally split the hive in half with newspaper temporarily, with the hopes that the bees could better take care of the beetles, while depriving the beetles places to hide or run to (especially hiding in that half empty top brood box!) All of these actions took place one week ago.

As of today: I went into the weaker hive for an inspection. The bees chewed through the newspaper, as expected. The top box is much fuller and filled out than it was one week ago. The beetle count was not great, but substantially lower than it had been. I would have to say I saw at least a 30%-40% reduction in the beetles I could spot. And I looked good and hard. No beetle larvae was being removed from the hive by the bees, and they were all acting like a pretty happy family.

My actions today- After cleaning up the bits and pieces of newspaper (I'm leaving the newspaper on the SBB, since I am lucky enough to have a nonexistent Varroa population), I mixed up a solution of roughly 4tsp cinnamon, 4 pints of water, a few drops of lemongrass oil, and four ounces of Hydrogen Peroxide. I used a garden mister and gave a light coat of this solution on the tops of each frame. If I do this again, I will use less cinnamon, or apply it directly- the mister does not like to feed it very well. I then used a majority of the solution to spray the sides and backs of my hive bodies, hive stand, bricks, and groundcloth/soil in the area. I then took dry cinnamon and covered the groundcloths and surrounding soil about 3 or 4 feet in each direction.

The bees didn't miss a beat, and this was even after me being in the hive for a good 15 minutes with overcast weather around 5:30pm. The few beetles I saw were none too pleased with my concoction. I even took a couple minutes to watch a beetle on the outside of my hive body try to navigate around the droplets of my spray that had settled where the bottom board and hive stand meet. He would not go near it, and I enjoyed his "panicked" movements until he met the business end of my hive tool shortly thereafter.

I am prepared to feed syrup mixed with the peroxide to the weaker hive, but what I have premixed is 16 oz peroxide dosed in 15 quarts of syrup. So we are starting small. The feeders will go back on tonight maybe, if not tomorrow morning. I am currently watching the sun peek back out here in NC after a few days of rain and overcast conditions, so we'll see.

I have been reading about everyone's SHB issues, and I find you guys very helpful, even though I reckon I'm not as much a "newbee" anymore.

So since I have been helped out so much by all the other beekeepers on here, I feel like I should share the tactics I have come up with to fight this pest. I will keep everyone posted on how this works. But the conclusion I have drawn so far is that the newspaper slowed the SHB's mobility and allowed the bees to play "catch up" for just a bit. :thumbsup: So if there is a weak colony issue, perhaps that is a good way to nudge nature in the right direction without resorting to chemicals as a first defense.

dave28210
07-29-2009, 07:54 PM
I put the feeders on. Cross your fingers for me. The weaker hive took to it immediately, the stronger hive, with a rising but still acceptable SHB population (if there is such a thing), did not seem terribly interested.

The problem was getting bad, let's hope it doesn't blow up in my face because I made it worse.

SlickMick
07-30-2009, 03:24 AM
Dave, I think you have an underlying problem there. Consider this. The adult shb lays some hundreds of eggs. The hatched larva you are seeing are heading for the entrance where they fall to the ground to pupate into adult shb again. I am sure that you know this.

The reason you are seeing so many larva is because the shb is laying. It is not the shb that is causing the damage in your hives although they can cause havoc in your brood box, it is the larva that tunnels through your comb and defecating that turns the honey sour. You will have 100 times the larva than you have adult shb. If you want to control the larva, you have to control the shb adult. At least you are trying to do something with your cinnamon concoction but I dont know if that will be enough.

The problem with the adult shb is that they need time away from the bees to lay and a frame that is only half covered with bees gives them that opportunity. I suspect that the shb above the paper migrated down or those that were left were happy to have the space to lay. I would suspect that there is larva in that super.

My approach to the problem would be to remove any frames of honey and freeze them for 24 hours to kill all shb, larva and eggs.

If you dont have traps in have a look on youtube for FATBEEMAN's borax sandwiches or google it. These are made from coreflute and borax that is inaccessible to the bees. The borax is in the corrugations and the beetle enters it and is killed by the borax.

There are sandwich box traps you can make that use an attractant and vegetable oil that drowns the shb. Linda's blog, I think, on youtube also shows how to make them

Get rid of any empty space in your hive and add supers and frames only when the bees need them. Make sure that your frames are covered with bees.

Reduce the entrance so that guard bees have a chance to protect their space. I believe that the adult shb will also enter through sbb's. Perhaps flywire will help here to keep them out but it wont keep the larva in. Oil or borax in a tray underneath may help to keep them out of the soil.

I think you will need to keep a close eye on these hives as they seem to me to be in some sort of trouble. I do hope you get control.

Keep in touch with how you are making out with them

Mick

dave28210
07-30-2009, 05:45 PM
Mick,
Thanks for the words of wisdom. Since laying down that newspaper I have seen a greater presence of bees in the upper box. However, this is year one for me and I will not be adding supers. I did not go into the bees today, and probably will not be able to until early next week.

But upon observing them after work today, I am not seeing the bees drag out any larvae as I had in previous days. Nor am I seeing larvae on the dropcloths as I had seen before. Am I naive to think this is a good thing, or are the bees just not able to access the larvae as they once were able to? Going into the hives yesterday, I still saw those darn beetles running around, so I know I am not out of the woods by any means.

My concoction was part experiment, part bandaid. But I agree with you, I need to take greater measures (and more established ones as you described). Thanks again, at least this is a learning experience. I'll do my best to keep you posted.

Dave

SlickMick
07-30-2009, 09:03 PM
My pleasure Dave, I hope it works out

Mick