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Ben Brewcat
04-13-2009, 11:29 AM
I get updates from our local law enforcement by email. I have a few colonies at a property owned by a guy that responded to a Craigslist ad I posted. He's always been very nice, enthusiastic about bees, comes out to chat when I'm there, etc. The colonies aren't doing great; it's a pretty dry area and they don't seem to get much good forage.

Anyway, on Saturday (the sheriff's report goes) he was having an installment of a long-standing drainage ditch dispute with a neighbor; one of the parties was angry about the "removal of a tree" in the drainage right-of-way. My host apparently said he was going to get his gun, went to his garage and returned brandishing a shotgun (it would be about 200 yards each way for him). The other party left, calling 911 and my host was arrested for felony menacing.

Now I've been so mad at my neighbors I could spit. But I've never drawn down on them (or anyone). I've known this guy one season. I have to make this decision for myself, but it helps me to bounce thoughts off of people. I'm of two minds... he's always been a good host to me, and I like talking to him well enough. However, two thoughts compete with my like of him so far: on one hand, I don't really want to support (through my continued relationship with him) someone resorting to implied threats of killing someone else over a tree in a ditch. That kind of loss of control makes me uncomfortable, and in my work I see a lot of that kind of behavior. It rarely manifests in people without some underlying control issues, which I end up having to manage for them.

Additionally, I do wonder what happens if he ever is unhappy with me or one of my colonies? I really doubt he'd shoot me but again, not a totally under control person. I get enough conflict at work that I don't need to worry about it in a beeyard where I go to NOT have conflict.

Granted he's only been charged, and I'm sure there's his side to the story. Maybe they're impossible jerks. My current neighbors make me long for the tranquility and respectful neighbors in my college dorm (not kidding) and sometimes I dream about a 30-foot high concrete wall between us. But I sure don't grab the shotgun. My belief about firearms is that you don't pull it unless you have to kill someone: threatening someone with a firearm is NOT going to make a situation safer. Brandishing is done, in my experience and in the vast (unfortunate) majority of cases, by weak people needing to feel powerful for some reason.

I just thought of another concern: what if the neighbor vandalizes my colonies in retribution? They're right on his property line.

Move the colonies, or never bring it up (and watch over my shoulder)?

PerryBee
04-13-2009, 12:21 PM
Ben

If you have another spot in the area that you could move to I would. If in fact the area is not that great to begin with I think I would use that information as an excuse to your present host and move em to better grounds. If something as minor as this escalates into what you have described I am of the opinion both parties have shown poor judgement and the middle is no where for you to be seen.:lookout:

Perry

nursebee
04-13-2009, 12:32 PM
Ignoring the question of violence, you seem to have an answer regarding location performance.

kaisfate
04-13-2009, 12:33 PM
I have to agree with the above poster. Get your girls out of there. If he is ready and willing to pull a gun on someone over a tree, whats going to happen if he doesnt like what you are doing? Regardless of the reason (unless you are in danger of physical harm) there is no "story" good enough for threatening someone with a loaded weapon.

IMHO :)

Tom G. Laury
04-13-2009, 12:49 PM
Throw in some alcohol, if it isn't already there, won't be a pleasant environment.

Ben Brewcat
04-13-2009, 12:51 PM
Yeah, maybe I shouldn't have given them mead as part of the yard rent!

Hambone
04-13-2009, 12:58 PM
You won't have to worry about vandals at that yard. :)

Tom G. Laury
04-13-2009, 01:14 PM
If it was a REALLY GOOD location, we'd all probably put up with almost anything!

Hambone
04-13-2009, 01:23 PM
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Tom G. Laury
04-13-2009, 01:31 PM
Looks real good on you. Is that a custom fit? Do you have to take it off to get in & out of pickup? Cool!

Hambone
04-13-2009, 01:47 PM
Looks real good on you. Is that a custom fit? Do you have to take it off to get in & out of pickup? Cool!

I sent the design to Magnet Man. (Commission on all units sold hint, hint) Hopefully he can come up with something to help Ben before he has to go and do an inspection.

Ben Brewcat
04-13-2009, 02:06 PM
Ben to host: "Sure you could plug me. But can you skeet all of my 60,000 friends before they clog your ears, mouth nose and eyes with the stinging fury of bereaved killer bees? I think not". :D

dcross
04-13-2009, 02:32 PM
Trust your instincts and pull them out. Even if the neighbors threatened his life, walking 200 yds. away and then back is crazy.

Tom G. Laury
04-13-2009, 06:26 PM
Correct me Ben, but wasn't he very solicitous as far as getting you in there? I just now remembered that he kind of bent over backwards;...and put you right on the property line??? Skedaddle.

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04-14-2009, 09:46 AM
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What the heck... no gloves??

Swobee
04-14-2009, 10:01 AM
Ben,

You've got a real quandry there. If you choose to remove the colonies, tell him the hives performed in a mediocre way and you feel you've found a place with some real good forage (don't insult his land). Give him some more honey rent & explain it's business and not personal.

I have a friend with some property in the Blue Mesa Res. area & his wife coincidentally works for the Colo. state water division office at Lakewood(I don't know the proper office name). Those water rights go back to the 1800's and were protected with blood back then and the same holds true today. My friend has been the subject of minor threats from landowners just because he has a sill cock on the outside of their get-a-way cabin. The landowners who own area water rights told him rather sternly he'd better not ever be caught watering his shrubbery, etc. or 'consequences will be dire'. Those warnings weren't made in a friendly manner, either. Water ownership rights are serious stuff and until you've been involved in them, you have no idea jsut how serious they are.

We (Kansas) have been suing the crap out of Colorado & Nebraska for years over you no-good, low-down, thieving so-&-so's stealing and keeping our water and not letting it flow where it belongs so we can exploit it here. :D

Honestly, if other than that water situation this guy is rational, then leave things as they are if you're satisfied with the yields. But, since the yields are just so-so, moving them would probably be a wise choice. However, I'd do it darn soon before major flows get going and emphasize to him you're doing it for better forage.

Hambone
04-14-2009, 10:06 AM
What the heck... no gloves??

Sold separatley. That's how you make a profit. :D

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