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Jerry Kinder
04-12-2009, 10:22 PM
My two packages of bees came this Friday. One was great, the other 3/4 dead (~3 inches of dead bees in the bottom of the package). This seems odd because they were attached to each other. Called the Bee people and they said it was a post office shipping thing, and the post office says that it’s not their problem as they delivered them, and that there is no guarantee on live delivery. I guess I learned a lesson here somewhere about shipping live things through the postal service. It took them 5 days to go from one end of the state to the other (-100 or so miles on each end). Got lucky on one point, both queens made it.

Well, I went ahead and installed them. Dumped the healthy package per the books and they are doing fine. Not wanting to dump a bunch of dead bees into the hive I asked the bee company what to do and they suggested taking out enough frames to fit in the opened package, move the queen into the middle of the remaining frames and the bees would just walk over to her. I did that, and they did. I took out the box of dead bees 3-4 hours later and released the queen.

This was on Friday. Since then both hives are drinking there sugar water at about the same rate (one large mayonnaise jar per 2 days in an entrance feeder). I checked the bees today, Sunday, and the well populated hive has bees on all 10 frames drawing them out with comb. In the other hive, the bees are only visibly working in one gap with a few bees wandering around here and there.

Now for the question. Should I pull several partially drawn full of busy bees from the fat hive and put them into the other hive in an attempt to balance them out a little? The hives are sitting next to each other (pointing different ways) so they may just walk home if they don’t like it. I would have to make sure that the frames I move don’t have the queen which may/will be a little of a guess on my part being new.

I have not seen either of the queens inside the hives when I checked them but when I was watching them I did notice two or three bees with pollen going into each hive. Somewhere I read that that indicated that the queens are still in there hives.

I guess the other option is to just let the light hive fight its way back. But there are just a few bees in there right now. They are eating, and I have choked the entrance down to ~2 inches. They are on the opposite side of the hive from the opening, next to the feeder.

Anyway, that is my first few days as a beek! I installed them, released the queens, inspected once, no gloves, only put on a long sleeve shirt and veil for the inspection and haven’t been stung yet. I do see a reason for the bee cloths though; the bees seem to just sit all over me and get into my hair. Then when I walk into the house they take off for the window (then my wife takes off after me for letting them in the house). If I had a set of over cloths then I could take them off outside. I guess it may be worth spending a few bucks on a jacket to keep peace in the family. Anyone ever try one of those butterfly sucker guns for bee rescues?

Oh, on the dead bees, should I take this as a lesson learned or make myself a nascence to the USPS and the bee seller?

RayMarler
04-12-2009, 10:54 PM
When the strong hive has a drawn frame with sealed brood on it, take it out with adhering bees and give it to the weak hive, right in the middle of the two frames they are on. Make sure you don't move the queen over on the frame, most likely she won't be on that frame as she'll be on the frames with eggs, not sealed brood, 99% of the time. you can do this once a week, moving from strong hive to weak hive until both hives are more balanced. Best of luck!

Michael Palmer
04-13-2009, 05:51 AM
My two packages of bees came this Friday. One was great, the other 3/4 dead (~3 inches of dead bees in the bottom of the package). This seems odd because they were attached to each other. Called the Bee people and they said it was a post office shipping thing, and the post office says that it’s not their problem as they delivered them, and that there is no guarantee on live delivery.

I wouldn't take that. It's up to the producer to insure they get to you in good condition. You should demand a new package. This happened to me once...lost most of 75 packages...last time i ever bought packaged bees. I got my money back...minus the shipping charges.

Jerry Kinder
04-20-2009, 10:43 AM
Thanks for the ideas. I let the hive's be for the first week. The strong hive is just that, going strong.:D The other hive is all but an empty shell.:cry: After a week, only about 1 cup of bees are still trying to draw a patch of comb about the size of a softball. The stronger hive must be using it as a feeding ground as both hives seem to be going through a jar a day of sugar water.

After checking things I decided to make a switch to see if I could save the smaller hive (calling it that is a stretch at this point). I took your suggestion and dissolved an Altoid into the syrup spray. I sprayed down the bees in the weaker hive and moved them (all three frames that they were on) over to a 5 frame nuce box. Then from the strong hive I sprayed 2 frames of dawn comb with bees and added them to the weak hive (did not see any brood or the queen). I put the entrance feeder on it and blocked off the rest of the bottom entrance and left a small, ~1x2 inch, opening about mid way up the back. The bees have settled in and continue to drink about 64 oz of sugar water a day (is that a lot??) between the two hives. My hope is that the queen is still with the weak hive and will lay in the drawn comb from the other hive. I may be doing this a little early per the suggestion to add caped brood over, but I don't think the weak hive will make it on its' own, just not enough bees. In a few days I will tear into the weaker hive and see what’s going on.

I still haven't seen either queen but I do observe the bees bringing pollen into the hives so I assume they are there. If/after the weaker hive gets going in the nuce box I will move them back into the 10 frame hive and go from there. Time will tell.

Jerry