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bareftcarl
01-27-2009, 01:23 PM
This is my first hive and I was wanting to add another hive body to give them more room. I looked at the supers thru the screen bottom and could not see any of the super bottoms, and I'm worried about the bees swarming. We have been having warm weather, we had a few cold days but more warm to hot than cold. I was thing about putting the new hive body on the bottom and set the full body on top. :s

alpha6
01-27-2009, 01:38 PM
Bees naturally move up so place the empty hive on top. As a suggestion I would pull a few frames of brood with the bees and place those in the top box and put empty frames in the bottom. This will naturally spread the bees out in both boxes plus give them room in the bottom to fill out in addition to moving up.

JaiPea
01-27-2009, 02:52 PM
> Bees naturally move up so place the empty hive on top.

The Lang beekeeping books always tell us to put the empties on top, and the bees move up because it is the only space available.

What's natural is that when bees colonize a cavity (wall, tree, etc) the comb starts at the top and the bees expand the colony down. The frames in a Lang slightly interfere with this natural method of expansion, but it does not prevent the bees moving down.

I've tried empties on top, empties below, and when the bees need the space they draw comb where the space is available. Do what suits you because it doesn't bother the bees either way.

Ross
01-27-2009, 06:13 PM
true....

scdw43
01-27-2009, 09:10 PM
Put the empty on top and if you move brood up in that box make sure you have the bees to keep the brood warm in both boxes or the brood will get chilled this time of the year. They also need some honey and pollen for feed up there, if it gets cold. Bees want leave the brood to go to honey when it is cold they starve on the comb And the brood will die for lack of heat.

Michael Bush
01-28-2009, 06:22 PM
I'm with JaiPea. They move to the space and in nature they always work their way down. There is no other way they CAN move in a tree than from the top to the bottom, so saying that they naturally move up makes no sense. They move up because that's where we add the boxes. :) And we add them there because it's the least work.

alpha6
01-28-2009, 06:31 PM
Maybe, but put an empty on top and one on the bottom and see which they move to first. Ten to one says they fill the upper first.

JaiPea
01-30-2009, 05:24 PM
If you are in a climate with the risk of cold snaps ahead, it is prudent to provide space below. The heat generated by the cluster in the original box is lost when it rises into the upper box.

If you add a box on top you have to follow the precautions that scdw43 spelled out and bareftcarl wrote that this is his first hive. Adding a box below is the lowest risk expansion strategy.

Sundance
01-30-2009, 05:30 PM
Like others have said. Add another.

Also, don't be afraid to pop the top and pull a
frame or two for inspection. There is so very
much to learn by looking, and enjoying...:)