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Michael Palmer
01-25-2009, 08:35 AM
The other day, in another thread, I asked if anyone had seen cold tolerant wax worms. The usual belief is that wax worms are easily controlled by freezing. I agree...with Greater Wax Moths...GWM. Not so sure with Lesser Wax Moths...LWM.

My schedule has me scraping and sorting brood combs in storage. I have always done this work in the spring, when temps warm a bit, and I can work in my unheated storage barn. Keeps the mess out of the honey house, and it's a bit warmer at that time of year. I've always seen live LWM larvae at that time...usually early April. I know the literature says that wax worms are killed by prolonged freezing. So, I figured the live worms must be from freshly layed eggs.

Thursday, I brought 2 pallets of combs into the honey house. I saw some LWM larvae that looked quite dead. I was going to make a post that freezing did kill them. I was also going to take some photos for my collection. On Saturday morning, I got out the camera, and extension tubes, etc. Trouble is, all the supposedly dead LWM larvae were gone! Ok, maybe a mouse got them or...whatever.

I found some more in another box of combs, looking quite dead. Got the camera ready...and the worms moved. They crawled right down, and into empty cells...I imagine crawling away from the light.

These larvae must have come from eggs layed last fall. They matured almost to the pupal stage, but not quite. They have the start of a cocoon, but their development was stopped by the cold.

My storage barn is unheated and uninsulated. I'm sure that even in an unheated, uninsulated building there is some kind of protection from changes in outdoor temperatures. But, how much. Its been below freezing since before Christmas when the bees had a brief cleansing flight. Temps have been very cold. Lows have been -27 and -23F. There have been quite a few nights with temps between -10 and -15F. The storage barn is so cold that ice forms on the concrete floor immediately if you walk in there with snow on your boots. Forget washing the floor!

I took some photos of these super worms. Webster laughs and says I have a new strain of survivor moths. I wish survivor bees were as easy to come up with. :-)

LWM larvae as they were found on combs when first exposed to light:
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff61/frenchhill/DSC_0754.jpg

LWM larva climbing out of cocoon:
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff61/frenchhill/DSC_0757.jpg

LWM larva out of cocoon, and ready to crawl into empty cell.
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff61/frenchhill/DSC_0764.jpg

In the other thread, one poster said the LWM larvae last a bit longer than GWM larvae in the cold, but this is rediculous. Has no one else seen this cold tolerance by LWM?

BEES4U
01-25-2009, 08:43 AM
Perhaps they have some natural anti-freeze in their system like some fish species.
Do you have any Preston stored near them that they may have drunk to celebrated the new year
Ernie

xC0000005
01-25-2009, 12:09 PM
I've never seen them at that cold, but last year I went through a box of comb at 40 degrees and found wax moth larva. They were moving very, very slowly but clearly eating the brood comb. There was nothing warming them. Night time temps were at about 30 degrees every night for a couple weeks. Maybe they do freeze to death, but I suspect they are hardier than people think.

Tom G. Laury
01-25-2009, 01:15 PM
The larva is SPINNING the coccoon not crawling out of it. The adult moth is what emerges. ( You knew that! ) The problem comes from the eggs. They are the hardiest of all, and with a little protection they hatch, and presto! larva!

deknow
01-25-2009, 01:28 PM
...now that you have selected for cold tolerant stock, you can sell them santa clause as fishing bait.:lookout:

deknow

Michael Palmer
01-25-2009, 02:42 PM
The larva is SPINNING the coccoon not crawling out of it.

What? The coccoon was spun last Fall, before freeze up. The larva was most certainly crawling out. They all crawled out and into empty cells, as did the ones that hadn't started a coccoon. I think they were crawling away from the light.

alpha6
01-25-2009, 02:52 PM
Keep them away from here. Pull the comb out of the box and put them in the snow...thatal learn um.

Haven't seen them and hope I don't. We don't get much wax mouth period. If it ain't one thing...its another. :eek:

dcross
01-26-2009, 05:57 AM
We could probably pin it on the bait shops. Selecting cold hardy stock for ice fishing.

ScadsOBees
01-26-2009, 12:07 PM
I've noticed and wondered at the same thing cleaning up some frames that were in the garage after a long cold spell. I know the garage stays warmer than the outside, but there was not doubt in my mind that it was below freezing.

That being said, they usually aren't a problem until mid summer.

Rick