chainsaw chains

[riverrat]

I have been running stihl chains for several years. I recently switched to carlton. From my experience the carlton stays sharp longer and cuts better and faster than the stihl chains. What kind of chains are you guys running.

[MapMan]

I get my new chains from the local co-op, but I honestly don't know the manufacturer. I have noticed that they are more aggressive in cutting than the Stihl chains, but the reason for that is because they are not anti-kickback chains. You will substitute an aggressive cut for safety when you use chains designed with anti-kickback features. That might be what you are seeing with the Carltons.

MM

[Sundance]

I don't like the anti-kick back chains. They don't cut well
at all IMO.

But there are a lot of nimrods running around with chain
saws out there. I always wear a helmet with ear muffs
(Stihl I think), logger shin guards, steel toe boots, and
good gloves.

Be safe........

[MapMan]

I always wear a helmet with ear muffs
(Stihl I think), logger shin guards, steel toe boots, and
good gloves.

Wuss.:D

I wear heavy boots, gloves, eye and ear protection. And dodge the bar when it comes close. ;)

MM

[Sundance]

Wuss.:D

I wear heavy boots, gloves, eye and ear protection. And dodge the bar when it comes close. ;)

MM

Wuss indeed............ we can't all be alpha males MM:).

I've been knocked on the helmet more than once... and
had the face screen lashed with a fly off chain. I got
nailed in the shin good with a runaway chain once, got
the shin guards immediately after the wound healed.;)

[Zane]

My buddy cuts wood for a living over in Modesto,CA and he recomended I try these "Woodsman Pro" chains from "Baileys" http://www.baileysonline.com/category.asp?CatID=49
They where dirt cheap has no anti kickback links and they cut like butter!!! It chatters just a little @ start of the cut but really goes once going.

[randydrivesabus]

I use the most agressive chain I can buy because it cuts faster. The last one I bought was a stihl. I'm stupid and don't use safety equipment. The fly off chain comment scares me.

[Zane]

Sundance, good idea to be safe. I had a job cutting trees to make roads in Jr High. I was up in the Raggged Mtns in Colorado w/ another Jr high kid alone(40 miles to the nearest town) all week cutting trees for 2 seasons w/o any gear(or supervision). It amazes me that we actually made it w/ only minor flesh wounds!!!! Wellllll, except when I felled a pine tree on my buddy and knocked him out!:doh: remember, When someone yell's "timber" dont ask:sWhere!! just run:D

[Black Creek]

..." face screen lashed with a fly off chain"....

and with that comment you have effectively just convinced me to upgrade my safety gear !

[Sundance]

..." face screen lashed with a fly off chain"....

and with that comment you have effectively just convinced me to upgrade my safety gear !

They are well worth it! Had a 2" x 6' widow maker hit me in
the helmet 2 years ago. 2" x 6' doesn't sound to wicked but
man......... even with the helmet it dazed me.

I like the muff style hearing protection better than plugs too,
and with the face screen it is an essential tool for anyone
that cuts wood.

Best money you'll spend........

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stihl-chainsaw-protective-helmet-saw-face-shield-guard_W0QQitemZ130266719775QQihZ003QQcategoryZ8591 5QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[MapMan]

Sundance, check to make sure your insurance payments are up-to-date. Sounds like you are accident-prone. :D

MM

[walking bird]

I use the most agressive chain I can buy because it cuts faster. The last one I bought was a stihl. I'm stupid and don't use safety equipment. The fly off chain comment scares me.

I'm with you. I wear a pair of raquetball glasses, and that's it. Usually I'm in shorts and a tank-top. Maybe I should rethink that...

[berkshire bee]

you might wear just a short sleeve shirt and shorts while working on your bees, but a chain saw packs a much harder sting. It only takes a second, and then it's "I wish or I should have"

[BenC]

I also use the woodsman pro from bailey's, great chain and an excellent company to deal with.

[Sundance]

I'm with you. I wear a pair of raquetball glasses, and that's it. Usually I'm in shorts and a tank-top. Maybe I should rethink that...

In my youth........... I did the same. You know, when you're
invincible??? One bite from a chainsaw can be more than a
learning lesson. Especially if you're miles from medical help.

[riverrat]

I also use the woodsman pro from bailey's, great chain and an excellent company to deal with.

I took a look at the woodsman how does it compare in performance to a carlton or stihl

[Sundance]

The big thing with performance is the depth gauges
(aka rakers, aka anti-kick back thingys).

These chains have none and therefore are very
aggressive and will blow the others (with them)
out of the water regarding speed of cut.

Down side is that you should be a seasoned wood
cutter to use them as they are more dangerous!
Kick back is nasty.

I like chains that are aggressive and I'm going to
order up 2 or 3 of these myself.

[riverrat]

I took a look at the woodsman how does it compare in performance to a carlton or stihl

I did some checking the woodsman pro is made by carlton. I am going to order a few of them and see what they do.

[Zane]

Riverrat, for the price and performance you wont bee sorry!!!! They do a very nice job cutting. Its not a smooth starting chain w/o the kickback links but once she gets going get ready to pull it up because your already done cutting! haha

[ScadsOBees]

I'm looking for an education.

I just started cutting wood, and don't do a ton of it yet, so I bought a little cheepie poulan chainsaw, 16", 34cc. So far it is working great for what I need.

It dulls faster than what I'd like, and I notice that more expensive chainsaws have more teeth on the chain. Are the chains interchangeble? Could I just buy a different chain with more teeth and put that on?

What is the anti-kickback feature? I'm not ready to abandon that feature just yet, but am curious what it is and does.

Thanks, rick

[MapMan]

I'm looking for an education.

I just started cutting wood, and don't do a ton of it yet, so I bought a little cheepie poulan chainsaw, 16", 34cc. So far it is working great for what I need.

It dulls faster than what I'd like, and I notice that more expensive chainsaws have more teeth on the chain. Are the chains interchangeble? Could I just buy a different chain with more teeth and put that on?

What is the anti-kickback feature? I'm not ready to abandon that feature just yet, but am curious what it is and does.

Thanks, rick

Scads -

Basic cutters:

Chipper (round): The most versatile cutter type. The Chipper chain is the easiest to file and will tolerate the most dirt and dust. Chipper chain cuts smoothly and is sort of an all-purpose saw chain, for most tasks.

Chisel (square): This is the most aggressive chain cutter type. It is a square-cut design used by production logging crews and should only be used by experienced sawyers. Chisel chain requires a file that fits the square shape of the cutting edge, and therefore it is more difficult to file than other types of chain. Chisel chain also dulls very quickly when it is hits dirt. It is not recommended for brushing or limbing out logs because of the potential for kickback.

Semichisel: A less aggressive cutter type than chisel. Unlike the square cut of the chisel, a round file is used with a file guide when filing semichisel chain. The semichisel cutter is more tolerant of dirt and dust and stays sharp longer than the other cutters.

A low kickback chain is an option available for all three primary cutters, and allows safety for new users, or occasional users of the saws (or for anyone who wants to safely cut wood).

In addition to the cutter types, there are characteristics of the sequences of the chain lines, as: Standard, Semi-skip or full skip chain. The cutter sequence is based primarily on bar length, and usage. Standard (most cutters per length) is used on bars less than 24", Full skip on larger bars, and semi-skip for soft or fibrous woods. The antikickback features on saw chains are based on the design of what are called tie straps, which connect between the cutters.

MM

[Sundance]

Are the chains interchangeble? Could I just buy a different chain with more teeth and put that on?Thanks, rick

In addition to MM's excellent list of chain info you have to
match the bar gauge. The groove the chain rides in matters.

Keep that groove clean and now and then pull the bar off,
turn it "upside down" and file off the outer edge if it has a
burr. Rotating the bar will add life to the bar as it wears more
on the wood side due to pressure.

When the bar is off inspect the edges for heat discoloration and
any fractures.

Make sure the saw is always putting out adequate oil for
lube.

[Sundance]

Also Scads...........

Little saws just don't do well with aggressive chain IMO.
They take a lot more power to cut.

[MapMan]

In addition to MM's excellent list of chain info you have to
match the bar gauge. The groove the chain rides in matters.

Keep that groove clean and now and then pull the bar off,
turn it "upside down" and file off the outer edge if it has a
burr. Rotating the bar will add life to the bar as it wears more
on the wood side due to pressure.

When the bar is off inspect the edges for heat discoloration and
any fractures.

Make sure the saw is always putting out adequate oil for
lube.

Yes, maintenance on the bar/chain is of primary importance. The worst enemy to your chain, aside from running it into the ground or a stone, or a metal fence post :(, is lack of lubrication. Use chain oil formulations for the seasons - there are winter and summer blends. Check the ports on the oiler to make certain that they are clean and can deliver oil, and EVERY time you add gas, top off the oil. ;)

MM

[ScadsOBees]

Thanks for the info! It all makes good sense, even though it never occurred to me.

Rick

[Zane]

Scads, There are differnt "pitch" and size chains too. Your bar should give you the info you need. Its usually printed near the saw side of the bar w/ the amt of links that bar takes. So get the right chain w/ the roght amt of links too!!!!
Just be careful and you'll be fine.
Yuo are starting out w/ a small Paulin saw whick will work for small tasks. The more aggressive chains DO take some power to get that extra bite but it may work for you. ITs only around $8 so might be worth a try?
When and if you decide to get a bigger one I sure recomend Stihl saws.
Mine starts every time after 3-4 pulls. I've had McCollugh, Homelite, Huskavarna, and a few others but that Stihl sure outstarts them all!!! Just an FYI and opinion.

[No_Bivy]

riverrat....you surf the treehouse?

[riverrat]

riverrat....you surf the treehouse?

nope cant say I have been there Pm me with the info

[riverrat]

Yes, maintenance on the bar/chain is of primary importance. Check the ports on the oiler to make certain that they are clean and can deliver oil, and EVERY time you add gas, top off the oil. ;)
MM

I ran a guys stihl 250 the other day he said it wasnt cutting right. When he brought it to me the bar was blue I fired it up sent so many sparks out off the chain that it looked like I was cutting thru barbed wire but I had even got it into the log yet. I would say he had a major lubrication problem. So major he had ruined his bar and probly the chain. bad part was he had ran a chain I had just sharpened until it was dull the day before without stopping.:scratch: Some people dont understand what the oiler is for.

[Zane]

Could someone explain to me why it takes sooo many idiots like that to make the "world go round":s
Too bad he ruined a good tool! Was the oil res empty? Could he have the wrong chain on it too? Its getting a nice chill in the air. Perfect chainsaw weather I think!!!!