Palin Abused Power

[Sundance]

A legislative committee has charged that Palin
unlawfully abused her authority as Governor of
Alaska. Unanimously voted on as well.

This committee is compose of 10 Republicans and
4 Democrats.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_el_ge/palin_troopergate

[Bodo]

meh. n/m

[iddee]

>>>>The investigative report concludes that a family grudge wasn't the sole reason for firing Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan but says it likely was a contributing factor.<<<<

So as long as their is a personal reason in existence, even tho business reasons still say act, a person should leave a person in the position. I would think the other reasons should be brought out in the open and see if they were enough to warrant the firing anyway.

[Sundance]

The issue and crime, yes an Alaskan state law was
broken, was in the method and pressure exerted on
subordinates.

What is striking to me is all of the committee's 10
Republican's came to the same conclusion that Palin
broke the law and abused her power.

[dragonfly]

What is striking to me is all of the committee's 10
Republican's came to the same conclusion that Palin
broke the law and abused her power.

Well, they are probably a bit perterbed that she has been raining on their good ole boys network parade since she arrived.

And btw, is it true that the guy threatened to kill her father?

[Bodo]

The trooper did indeed. Also tasered a kid.

[dragonfly]

The trooper did indeed. Also tasered a kid.

If that's the case, I can understand why, abuse of power or not. Women's maternal instincts to protect those they love really come out when threats are made.

[Bodo]

The problem was that the Trooper's boss WOULDN'T fire the guy. So she had him fired. If there wasn't a family member involved it would be a non-issue.

Much ado about nothing.

[Derek]

Also tasered a kid.

Look.

Have you ever spanked a kid with your bare hand? It hurts your hand! Taser is the only way to go.



j/k!!

[BjornBee]

Geeeshhhh. Come on guys. This was "outed" a long time ago, by the people investigating the whole thing. They were some people who already came to the conclusion before the investigation was even complete. They had the moronic intelligence to say they were hanging Sarah, and would make this an "October" surprise and even further their hateful position by suggesting that when they are through, the voters will regret having Sarah on the ticket. Does not sound like a fair investigation to me.

They are bunch of people who got their toes stepped on and had a bone to pick. Which tells me Sarah is the kind of person just right for the job. She does not go after just one side, and is willing to do what's right even if it may have negative overtones. Which is refreshing after the career politicians who stick their finger in the air and calculate how much it will hurt their re-election bid.

Stay informed! Read the second post in this thread. This was played out over a month ago and the outcome of the investigation was chosen long before they were done. It was based on pay-back.

http://www.beesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222372&highlight=October

[Eaglerock]

Does not sound like a fair investigation to me.

http://www.beesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222372&highlight=October

It was headed by a republican... plus it was non partisan. No she clearly was wanting to get back at her ex- brother-in-law. When she couldn't get him fired she was mad and had him fired.

Even if what you think is true. She should have stepped out of that because of her family's involvement. Any smart person would have known to do that, unless they had a motive.

Some people can not handle power. They end up abusing it.

[BjornBee]

Eaglerock, either you have done your own investigation, bought into MSNBC, or are listening to an investigation panel that came to the conclusion they WANTED, long before it was complete. And you have no problem with that? I do not give validation to a panel that made agenda driven comments DURING the investigation and clearly made their position known.

If this is the best they could come up with....than I say "YOU GO GIRL"!

Eaglerock....have you commented about Obama’s shifty "friends"? How he got his walking money, his house, his vote by belonging to a hate filled church? Or is sarah's pressure on firing a bad cop the whole bag of beans. point is....we may not EVER get a perfect candidate without faults. I look at hers as positive faults while trying to do the right thing. Obama's faults (among many) sometimes border in befriending a traitor. Hmmmm.

Sarah wanted a bad cop fired. I would imagine that this sort of stuff in higher powers happens all the time. (Mrs. Clinton was famous for it. Had whole offices fired overnight.) But it was the investigation I find interesting.

And anyone who can step on toes and have her own party ticked off because she outed corruption and fraud along the way....is the right person for the job.

I could care less about a family squabble. The cop needed to be fired. They did not like Sarah and fought her on it. The "Blue Line" was drawn and they stuck by their own. She put pressure on someone to do what was right for the people of Alaska. And THEY love her for it.

Alaskan politicians don't like her.
Alaskan voters do like her.

Just who we need.

[J-Bees]

Look.

Have you ever spanked a kid with your bare hand? It hurts your hand! Taser is the only way to go.



j/k!!

have you ever hit another man in the face with your fist???


hurts a bit Hu! ! !:shhhh:

[beegee]

A legislative committee has charged that Palin
unlawfully abused her authority as Governor of
Alaska. Unanimously voted on as well.

This committee is compose of 10 Republicans and
4 Democrats.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_el_ge/palin_troopergate

So? Bill Clinton got a pass for far more serious mis-behavior.

[JPK1NH]

Lets compare.

Palin fires someone for insubordination which she has every right to do by Alaska State Law which is an At Will State so no justification or reason is required for dismissal.

Obama has a long term relationship with Bill Ayers who is a self proclaimed terrorist.

Obama has a 20 year association with his self proclaimed mentor and Reverend Wright who is a racist hate monger.

Obama provides millions in earmarks for Rezco the slum lord and convicted real estate criminal who he also conveniently purchased a house from at a reduced price along with additional property in a shady deal with Rezco and also recieved preferential treatment and mortgage rates as a result of the same shady association.


The latest is his connection to the defeated Kenyan Presidential Candidate named Odinga where Obama helped assisted him in organizing his campaign and instructed him on less than above board political strategies.....and there are copies of signed documents that show Odinga commmited to imposing Sharia Law soon after being elected in return for political support from the muslim community....Odinga since his defeat has also been implicated in inciting violence within Kenya which has been well covered by the media.

We are the company that we keep and Obama is a shady character with persistent connections to hate mongers and convicted/unconvicted criminals and terrorists.
__________________

So please explain to me how Palin firing an At Will Employee for Insubordination compares to the shady poop that Obama is associated with?

[Sundance]

LOL.......... You guys slay me......... Defending
Palin's breaking a law by dragging out Bill Clintions
sex act???

Then the secret Muslim crud, and the Rev.??

[BjornBee]

Well said JPK. Thank you for that post.

[JPK1NH]

LOL.......... You guys slay me......... Defending
Palin's breaking a law by dragging out Bill Clintions
sex act???

Then the secret Muslim crud, and the Rev.??

Its funny that the Liberals defend the Scandels of their Political Elite by pointing to nonsense but should anyone on the other side make a comparison they are discounted and ignored.

There's nothing secret about the Kenya/Odinga connection....a simple google search will show you....even the BBC had an article confirming the connection the other day.

As to the Rev Wright connection....there's SO MUCH documentation on that that any refusal of the blatent connection is patently absurd.

Lets put scandel into perspective for a moment and look at the long and storied list of corruption and scandels from the Left which dwarfs the scandels on the right by orders of magniture in scope and frequency.


boycottliberalism.com/Scandals.htm

William Jefferson Clinton- Impeached by the House of Representatives over allegations of perjury and obstruction of justice, but acquitted by the Senate. Scandals include Whitewater - Travelgate Gennifer Flowersgate - Filegate - Vince Fostergate - Whitewater Billing Recordsgate - Paula Jonesgate- Lincoln Bedroomgate - Donations from Convicted Drug and Weapons Dealersgate - Lippogate - Chinagate - The Lewinsky Affair - Perjury and Jobs for Lewinskygate - Kathleen Willeygate - Web Hubbell Prison Phone Callgate - Selling Military Technology to the Chinesegate - Jaunita Broaddrick Gate - Lootergate - Pardongate

Edward Moore Kennedy - Democrat - U. S. Senator from Massachusetts. Pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after his car plunged off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne.

Barney Frank - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1981 to present. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to expel Frank from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.

DNC - The Federal Election Commission imposed $719,000 in fines against participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources. The Federal Election Commission said it decided to drop cases against contributors of more than $3 million in illegal DNC contributions because the respondents left the country or the corporations are defunct.

Sandy Berger - Democrat - National Security Advisor during the Clinton Administration. Berger became the focus of a criminal investigation after removing highly classified terrorism documents and handwritten notes from the National Archives during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission hearings.

Robert Torricelli - Democrat - Withdrew from the 2002 Senate race with less than 30 days before the election because of controversy over personal gifts he took from a major campaign donor and questions about campaign donations from 1996.

James McGreevey - Democrat - New Jersey Governor . Admitted to having a gay affair. Resigned after allegations of sexual harassment, rumors of being blackmailed on top of fundraising investigations and indictments.

Jesse Jackson - Democrat - Democratic candidate for President. Admitted to having an extramarital affair and fathering a illegitimate child.

Gary Condit - Democrat - US Democratic Congressman from California. Condit had an affair with an intern. Condit, covered up the affair and lied to police after she went missing. No charges were ever filed against Condit. Her remains were discovered in a Washington DC park..

Eliot Spitzer- Democrat - New York governor - resigned from office after being tied to a prostitution ring.

Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde - Democrat - the son of newly elected U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, was booked on charges of criminal damage to property for allegedly slashing tires on 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party for use in Election Day voter turnout efforts.

Daniel David Rostenkowski - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1959 to 1995. Indicted on 17 felony charges- pleaded guilty to two counts of misuse of public funds and sentenced to seventeen months in federal prison.

Melvin Jay Reynolds - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1993 to 1995. Convicted on sexual misconduct and obstruction of justice charges and sentenced to five years in prison.

Charles Coles Diggs, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan from 1955 to 1980. Convicted on eleven counts of mail fraud and filing false payroll forms- sentenced to three years in prison.

George Rogers - Democrat - Massachusetts State House of Representatives from 1965 to 1970. M000ember of Massachusetts State Senate from 1975 to 1978. Convicted of bribery in 1978 and sentenced to two years in prison.

Don Siegelman - Democrat Governor Alabama - indicted in a bid-rigging scheme involving a maternity-care program. The charges accused Siegelman and his former chief of staff of helping Tuscaloosa physician Phillip Bobo rig bids. Siegelman was accused of moving $550,000 from the state education budget to the State Fire College in Tuscaloosa so Bobo could use the money to pay off a competitor for a state contract for maternity care.

John Murtha, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania. Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen offered bribes to political figures; Murtha was cited as an unindicted co-conspirator

Gerry Eastman Studds - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1973 to 1997. The first openly gay member of Congress. Censured by the House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House page.

James C. Green - Democrat - North Carolina State House of Representatives from 1961 to 1977. Charged with accepting a bribe from an undercover FBI agent, but was acquitted. Convicted of tax evasion in 1997.

Frederick Richmond - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1975 to 1982. Arrested in Washington, D.C., in 1978 for soliciting sex from a minor and from an undercover police officer - pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor. Also - charged with tax evasion, marijuana possession, and improper payments to a federal employee - pleaded guilty.

Raymond Lederer - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1977 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000.

Harrison Arlington Williams, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Senator from New Jersey from 1959 to 1970. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Allegedly accepted an 18% interest in a titanium mine. Convicted of nine counts of bribery, conspiracy, receiving an unlawful gratuity, conflict of interest, and interstate travel in aid of racketeering. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $50,000.

Frank Thompson, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1955 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting, convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges. Sentenced to three years in prison

Michael Joseph Myers - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1976 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and conspiracy; sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000; expelled from the House of Representatives on October 2, 1980.

John Michael Murphy - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1963 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted of conspiracy, conflict of interest, and accepting an illegal gratuity. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000.

John Wilson Jenrette, Jr - Democrat - U.S. Representative from South Carolina from 1975 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges and sentenced to prison

Neil Goldschmidt - Democrat - Oregon governor. Admitted to having an illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was serving as Mayor of Portland.

Alcee Lamar Hastings - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida. Impeached and removed from office as federal judge in 1989 over bribery charges.

Marion Barry - Democrat - mayor of Washington, D.C., from 1979 to 1991 and again from 1995 to 1999. Convicted of cocaine possession after being caught on videotape smoking crack cocaine. Sentenced to six months in prison.

Mario Biaggi - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1969 to 1988. Indicted on federal charges that he had accepted bribes in return for influence on federal contracts.Convicted of obstructing justice and accepting illegal gratuities. Tried in 1988 on federal racketeering charges and convicted on 15 felony counts.

Lee Alexander - Democrat - Mayor of Syracuse, N.Y. from 1970 to 1985. Was indicted over a $1.5 million kickback scandal. Pleaded guilty to racketeering and tax evasion charges. Served six years in prison.

Bill Campbell - Democrat - Mayor of Atlanta. Indicted and charged with fraud over claims he accepted improper payments from contractors seeking city contracts.

Frank Ballance - Democrat - Congressman North Carolina. Pleaded guilty to one charge of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and money laundering related to mishandling of money by his charitable foundation.

Hazel O'Leary - Democrat - Secretary of Energy during the Clinton Administration - O'leary took trips all over the world as Secretary with as many 50 staff members and at times rented a plane, which was used by Madonna during her concert tours.

Lafayette Thomas - Democrat - Candidate for Tennessee State House of Representatives in 1954. Sheriff of Davidson County, from 1972 to 1990. Indicted in federal court on 54 counts of abusing his power as sheriff. Pleaded guilty to theft and mail fraud; sentenced to five years in prison.

Mary Rose Oakar - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Ohio from 1977 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges of funneling $16,000 through fake donors.

David Giles - Democrat - candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington in 1986 and 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape.

Gary Siplin - Democrat state senator Florida- found guilty of third-degree grand theft of $5,000 or more, a felony, and using services of employees for his candidacy.

Edward Mezvinsky - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Iowa from 1973 to 1977. Indicted on 56 federal fraud charges.

Lena Swanson - Democrat - Member of Washington State Senate in 1997. Pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting unlawful payments from veterans and former prisoners of war.

Abraham J. Hirschfeld - Democrat - candidate in Democratic primary for U.S. Senator from New York in 1974 and 1976. Offered Paula Jones $1 million to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Bill Clinton. Convicted in 2000 of trying to hire a hit man to kill his business partner.

Henry Cisneros - Democrat - U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development from 1993 to 1997. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of lying to the FBI.

James A. Traficant Jr. - Member of House of Representatives from Ohio. Expelled from Congress after being convicted of corruption charges. Sentenced today to eight years in prison for accepting bribes and kickbacks.

John Doug Hays - Democrat - member of Kentucky State Senate from 1980 to 1982 Found guilty of mail fraud for submitting false campaign reports stemming from an unsuccessful run for judge. He was sentenced to six months in prison to be followed by six months of home confinement and three years of probation.

Henry J. Cianfrani - Democrat - Pennsylvania State Senate from 1967 to 1976. Convicted on federal charges of racketeering and mail fraud for padding his Senate payroll. Sentenced to five years in federal prison.

David Hall - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1971 to 1975. Indicted on extortion and conspiracy charges. Convicted and sentenced to three years in prison.

John A. Celona - Democrat - A former state senator was charged with the three counts of mail fraud. Federal prosecutors accused him of defrauding the state and collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars from CVS Corp. and others while serving in the legislature. Celona has agreed to plead guilty to taking money from the CVS pharmacy chain and other companies that had interest in legislation. Under the deal, Celona agreed to cooperate with investigators. He faces up to five years in federal prison on each of the three counts and a $250,000 fine

Allan Turner Howe - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Utah from 1975 to 1977. Arrested for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute.

Jerry Cosentino - Democrat - Illinois State Treasurer. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud - fined $5,000 and sentenced to nine months home confinement.

Joseph Waggonner Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Louisiana from 1961 to 19 79. Arrested in Washington, D.C. for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute

Albert G. Bustamante - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Texas from 1985 to 1993. Convicted in 1993 on racketeering and bribery charges and sentenced to prison.

Lawrence Jack Smith - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida from 1983 to 1993. Sentenced to three months in federal prison for tax evasion.

David Lee Walters - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1991 to 1995. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor election law violation.

James Guy Tucker, Jr. - Democrat - Governor of Arkansas from 1992 to 1996. Resigned in July 1996 after conviction on federal fraud charges as part of the Whitewater investigation.

Walter Rayford Tucker - Democrat - Mayor of Compton, California from 1991 to 1992; U.S. Representative from California from 1993 to 1995. Sentenced to 27 months in prison for extortion and tax evasion.

William McCuen - Democrat - Secretary of State of Arkansas from 1985 to 1995. Admitted accepting kickbacks from two supporters he gave jobs, and not paying taxes on the money. Admitted to conspiring with a political consultant to split $53,560 embezzled from the state in a sham transaction. He was indicted on corruption charges. Pleaded guilty to felony counts tax evasion and accepting a kickback. Sentenced to 17 years in prison.

Walter Fauntroy - Democrat - Delegate to U.S. Congress from the District of Columbia from 1971 to 1991. Charged in federal court with making false statements on financial disclosure forms. Pleaded guilty to one felony count and sentenced to probation.

Carroll Hubbard, Jr. - Democrat - Kentucky State Senate from 1968 to 1975 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1975 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to conspiring to defraud the Federal Elections Commission and to theft of government property; sentenced to three years in prison.

Joseph Kolter - Democrat - member of Pennsylvania State House of Representatives from 1969 to 1982 and U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1983 to 1993. Indicted by a Federal grand jury on five felony charges of embezzlement at the U.S. House post office. Pleaded guilty.

Webster Hubbell - Democrat - Chief Justice of Arkansas State Supreme Court in 1983. Pleaded guilty to federal mail fraud and tax evasion charges - sentenced to 21 months in prison.

Nicholas Mavroules - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1979 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to charges of tax fraud and accepting gratuities while in office.

Carl Christopher Perkins - Democrat - Kentucky State House of Representatives from 1981 to 1984 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1985 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud in connection with the House banking scandal. Perkins wrote overdrafts totaling about $300,000. Pleaded guilty to charges of filing false statements with the Federal Election Commission and false financial disclosure reports. Sentenced to 21 months in prison.

Richard Hanna - Democrat - U.S. Representative from California from 1963 to 1974. Received payments of about $200,000 from a Korean businessman in what became known as the "Koreagate" influence buying scandal. Pleaded guilty and sentenced to federal prison.

Angelo Errichetti - Democrat - New Jersey State Senator was sentenced to six years in prison and fined $40,000 for his involvement in Abscam.

Daniel Baugh Brewster - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Maryland. Indicted on charges of accepting illegal gratuity while in Senate.

Thomas Joseph Dodd - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Connecticut. Censured by the Senate for financial improprieties, having diverted $116,000 in campaign and testimonial funds to his own use

Edward Fretwell Prichard, Jr. - Democrat - Delegate to Democratic National Convention from Kentucky. Convicted of vote fraud in federal court in connection with ballot-box stuffing. Served five months in prison.

Jerry Springer - Democrat - Resigned from Cincinnati City Council in 1974 after admitting to paying a prostitute with a personal check, which was found in a police raid on a massage parlor.

Guy Hamilton Jones, Sr. - Democrat -Arkansas State Senate. Convicted on federal tax charges and expelled from the Arkansas Senate.

Daniel Flood - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1945 to 1947, 1949 to 1953 and 1955 to 1980. Pleaded guilty to a conspiracy charge involving payoffs and sentenced to probation.

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George Crockett, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan. Served four months in federal prison for contempt of court following his defense of a Communist leader on trial for advocating the overthrow of the government.

Cornelius Edward Gallagher - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1959 to 1973. Indicted on federal charges of income tax evasion, conspiracy, and perjury

Mark B. Jimenez - Democrat fundraiser - sentenced to 27 months in prison on charges of tax evasion and conspiracy to defraud the United States and commit election financing offenses.

Bobby Lee Rush - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois. As a Black Panther, spent six months in prison on a weapons charge.

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Gloria Davis - Democrat - Bronx assemblywoman. Pleaded guilty to second-degree bribe-taking.

[Eaglerock]

The cop needed to be fired.
.

You are basing this on what? Palin herself never stated he needed to be fired, she said they were moving the dept. in another direction. Whatever they means. I have worked for companies that change direction and their way of thinking, but they don't fire them.

Anyways, you believe what you will. No one in here will change your view, and that's ok. We never wanted to.

And BTW, I read it online. If you remember you posted after my post showing that. Also I have watched ABC, CBS, NBC and they all have said the same, if your FOX says anything other than that... so be it. We all know were they stand. However, I watch Fox as well, as you must watch MSNBC.

:shhhh:

[Ravenseye]

These conversations always devolve into a republican vs. democrat thing. In real life, it's not like that. Somehow, people read that into news stories, especially when they look for news they either like or hate. The cop was bad news. Someone needed to fire him. All of that is clear. I don't care who fired him, I'm glad he's gone. To me, that's the end of the story, although I'd take another chapter if they went after anyone that protected a bad cop in his role as a taxpayer funded public servant. Now, draw your own conclusions on Palin's motivations but let's PLEASE not decide that the underlying factor here is reflective of the party you vote for. It might be for some of use but not for all and the world truly does not go round and round with politics being the engine. Bees, maybe...but not politics. :D

[JPK1NH]

You are basing this on what? Palin herself never stated he needed to be fired, she said they were moving the dept. in another direction. Whatever they means. I have worked for companies that change direction and their way of thinking, but they don't fire them.

Anyways, you believe what you will. No one in here will change your view, and that's ok. We never wanted to.

And BTW, I read it online. If you remember you posted after my post showing that. Also I have watched ABC, CBS, NBC and they all have said the same, if your FOX says anything other than that... so be it. We all know were they stand. However, I watch Fox as well, as you must watch MSNBC.

:shhhh:

Lets get the facts straight folks.

Public record shows that Trooper Wooten had been on trouble a number of times for illegally shooting moose, drinking beer in his patrol car and tazering a kid among other issues. His dismissal is unquestionably within her rights as an employer in the At Will State of Alaska

Palen is well within her right to order Wooten's dismissal and when Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan was dismissed by Palin for insubordination in his failure and refusal to dismiss Trooper Wooten his dismissal is also clearly justified.

[Galaxy]

Well said both Bjornbee and JPK1NH.

Let's look at the undisputed evidence:


The trooper threaten to kill the father of his ex-wife.
He tasered a minor, his ex-wife's son.
He was caught consuming alcohol in a state trooper car.
He broke the state wildlife laws.
If that does not constitute police misconduct, what does? Would anyone want this character patroling their neighborhood? There are plenty of decent law-abiding folks that would gladly replace him.

The state trooper's boss refused to fire the trooper. It would have been misconduct on the part of Palin if she had not fired the guy.

This whole "investigation'' episode simply illusrates the depths to which Democrat politicians, Palin-gored Republicans in Alaska, and the press will go to thwart the well being of common citizens.

It tells us that if we want real change we should not vote for any Democrat in November. They are the problem, not the solution.

[Eaglerock]

Lets get the facts straight folks.

Public record shows that Trooper Wooten had been on trouble a number of times for illegally shooting moose, drinking beer in his patrol car and tazering a kid among other issues. His dismissal is unquestionably within her rights as an employer in the At Will State of Alaska

Palen is well within her right to order Wooten's dismissal and when Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan was dismissed by Palin for insubordination in his failure and refusal to dismiss Trooper Wooten his dismissal is also clearly justified.

Well you might be right, but what does that have to do with it. She never stated she had him fired for that. Hello.........

If she would have said that, then so be it. But she didn't. If you state that you filed your taxes, and yet you never mailed them. Then you didn't. You can't defend her having him fired for something she isn't stating or saying.

[JPK1NH]

Well you might be right, but what does that have to do with it. She never stated she had him fired for that. Hello.........

If she would have said that, then so be it. But she didn't. If you state that you filed your taxes, and yet you never mailed them. Then you didn't. You can't defend her having him fired for something she isn't stating or saying.

Eaglerock, she doesn't HAVE to provide a reason for dismissal.

Alaska is an At Will state wrt dismissal/firing.

[Eaglerock]

Oh I beg your pardon, you are right, as you have read all the many pages of this and sat on the non-Partisan board which had both Dem. and Rep. on it. They are the ones lying and making it all up. Do you really think they would state this, knowing that if not true that the whole world would know, making their lives and families lives a joke. Common people. THINK!

[Eaglerock]

MSNBC, .

I just was watching Fox and the guy on there was saying someone shouldn't criticize George Bush. OH wow! I missed who it was because my phone rang.

[JPK1NH]

Oh I beg your pardon, you are right, as you have read all the many pages of this and sat on the non-Partisan board which had both Dem. and Rep. on it. They are the ones lying and making it all up. Do you really think they would state this, knowing that if not true that the whole world would know, making their lives and families lives a joke. Common people. THINK!

One of the reasons that Palin was chosen by the McCain Campaign to be Veep Candidate was because she didn't play partisan politics within her own party and has ousted entrenched corrupt politicians within her OWN PARTY...are you really surprised that they are out to get her? Take a look at the people that were on the board and what they stood to lose and why they may have held a grudge.....follow the money!

Here's a pretty succinct summary of the whole trumped up media event"


http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/10/11/highlights-of-the-palin-inquiry-in-alaska.php
Highlights of the Palin Inquiry in Alaska
Posted by DJ Drummond
Published: October 11, 2008 - 9:57 AM

The loons have already gone off screaming down the road, but it's important to know the facts of the panel press release. From the AP article:

Headline: Panel: Gov. Palin abused power, but firing was legal

"Monegan's firing was lawful, the report found, but Palin let the family grudge influence her decision-making"

Ok, what was that "grudge"? Moneghan had refused to take action against Trooper Wooten. So what did Wooten do that annoyed the Governor?

"Wooten had been in hot water before Palin became governor over allegations that he illegally shot a moose, drank beer in a patrol car and used a Taser on his stepson. The Palins said they feared for their family's safety after Wooten made threats against them."

So before Palin was even Governor, Wooten was abusing his stepson, and so the threats he made against the Governor's family would reasonably be taken seriously. Can't really see why the democrats think this is unreasonable, actually.
So, the panel found she over-stepped authority. The loons are screaming for her arrest and jail. What could happen to Palin?

"Branchflower said Palin violated a statute of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Lawmakers don't have the authority to sanction her for such a violation, and they gave no indication they would take any action against her. Under Alaska law, it is up to the state's Personnel Board -- which is conducting its own investigation into the matter -- to decide whether Palin violated state law and, if so, must refer it to the Senate president for disciplinary action. Violations also carry a possible fine of up to $5,000."

So, the worst she faces is a fine, and right now there is nothing to indicate the board is inclined to punish her at all.
So, the left trumped up a case, and when they finally got something that kind of, sort of helped them they went screaming exaggerations and some outright lies down the road. In other words, normal leftist behavior. But it sure reminds us of how much they fear Palin.
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[Eaglerock]

Eaglerock, she doesn't HAVE to provide a reason for dismissal.

.

SAY WHAT? So you are stating that they don't have to prove anything?
They work for the people, sorry yes they do.

She broke Alaska's ethic law.

[JPK1NH]

SAY WHAT? So you are stating that they don't have to prove anything?
They work for the people, sorry yes they do.

She broke Alaska's ethic law.

Alaska is an "At Will" state.

According to state law she is not required to provide any justification for dismissal.

Go look up what it means to be an "At Will" state.

The politically appointed committee found her in violation of an ethics rule (in their OPINION) which they have no authority to charge for and the "CLAIM" was that in their not so unbiased opinion she allowed her personal feelings and circumstances to influence her decision to dismiss.

The bottom line is that they have no authority over this and its merely their (biased) OPINION.

This isn't even newsworthy.

[dragonfly]

Texas is a hire and fire at will state too. You can hire anyone or fire anyone at will, and employees can quit at will, with no notice, supposedly without reprisal.

ER, I think you may be confusing law with the concept of ethical. They sometimes, but not always go hand in hand.

[Oldbee]

[QUOTE=dragonfly;360033]Texas is a hire and fire at will state too. You can hire anyone or fire anyone at will, and employees can quit at will, with no notice, supposedly without reprisal.

You too!! Same here!! WI.

"Palin Abused Power".---Whoa!, that Sarah is just a 'rascal',...........isn't she.

[Eaglerock]

Alaska is an "At Will" state.

According to state law she is not required to provide any justification for dismissal.

Go look up what it means to be an "At Will" state.

.

Think you need to look it up.

At-will employment

At-will employment is a doctrine of American law that defines an employment relationship in which either party can break the relationship with no liability provided there was no express contract for a definite term governing the employment relationship and that the employer does not belong to a collective bargain (i.e. a union). Under this legal doctrine:

“ any hiring is presumed to be "at will"; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals "for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all," and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work.[1] ”

Several exceptions to the doctrine exist, especially if unlawful discrimination is involved regarding the termination of an employee.

Since this reduces job security, it can create, in theory, an atmosphere of fear that may contribute to workplace bullying[citation needed]. As a means of downsizing, such as closing an unprofitable factory, a company may terminate employees en masse. However, there are legal limitations upon the employer's ability to terminate without reason.


Origins

The at-will rule has its genesis in a rule in Horace Gray Wood’s 1877 treatise on master-servant relations. Wood cited four U.S. cases as authority for his rule that when a hiring was indefinite, the burden of proof was on the servant to prove that an indefinite employment term was for one year.[2] In Toussaint v. Blue Cross & Blue Shield of Michigan, the Court noted that "Wood’s rule was quickly cited as authority for another proposition."[3]

Some courts saw the rule as requiring the employee to prove an express contract for a definite term in order to maintain an action based on termination of the employment.[4] Thus was born the U.S. at-will employment rule, which allowed discharge for no reason. This rule was adopted by all U.S. states. It was not until 1959 that the first judicial exception to the at-will rule was created.[5]

Since then, several common law and statutory exceptions to at-will employment have been created. However, in the majority of cases, the burden of proof remains upon the discharged employee. No U.S. state but Montana has chosen to statutorily modify the employment at-will rule.[6] In 1987, the Montana legislature passed the Wrongful Discharge from Employment Act (WDEA). The Montana Act is unique in that, although it purports to preserve the at-will concept in employment law, it also expressly enumerates the legal bases for a wrongful discharge action.[7] Under the WDEA, a discharge is wrongful only if: "it was in retaliation for the employee's refusal to violate public policy or for reporting a violation of public policy; the discharge was not for good cause and the employee had completed the employer's probationary period of employment; or the employer violated the express provisions of its own written personnel policy."

Public policy exceptions

Forty-two U.S. states and the District of Columbia recognize public policy as an exception to the at-will rule.[9] Under the public policy exception, an employer may not fire an employee if it would violate the state's public policy or a state or federal statute.

42 states have a public policy exception, thus 8 states do not. Those 8 states are:

Alabama
Florida
Georgia
Louisiana
Maine
Nebraska
New York
Rhode Island
The District of Columbia also has a public policy exception


Implied contract exceptions

Thirty-eight U.S. states also recognize an implied contract as an exception to at-will employment.[9] Under the implied contract exception, an employer may not fire an employee "when an implied contract is formed between an employer and employee, even though no express, written instrument regarding the employment relationship exists."[9] Proving the terms of an implied contract is often difficult, and the burden of proof is on the fired employee. Implied employment contracts are most often found when an employer's personnel policies or handbooks indicate that an employee will not be fired except for good cause or specify a process for firing. If the employer fires the employee in violation of an implied employment contract, the employer may be found liable for breach of contract.

37 US states have an implied-contract exception, thus 13 do not. Those 13 states are:

Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Indiana
Louisiana
Massachusetts
Missouri
Montana
North Carolina
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Texas
Virginia
The implied-contract theory to circumvent at will employment must be treated with caution. In 2006, the Texas Supreme Court in Matagorda County Hospital District, Petitioner v Christine Burwell, Respondent,[11] held that a provision in an employee handbook stating that dismissal may be for cause, and requiring employee records to specify the reason for termination, did not modify an employee's at-will employment. The New York Court of Appeals, that state’s highest Court, also rejected the implied-contract theory to circumvent employment at will. In Anthony Lobosco, Appellant v New York Telephone Company/NYNEX, Respondent [12], the court restated the prevailing rule that an employee could not maintain an action for wrongful discharge where state law recognized neither the tort of wrongful discharge, nor exceptions for firings that violate public policy, and an employee explicit employee handbook disclaimer preserved the at-will employment relationship. A reading of these cases as well as cases from other states strongly suggests employers adopt an employee handbook policy manual with effective disclaimers in order to avoid to the greatest extent possible implied contact claims made by present and former employees.

Covenant of good faith and fair dealing exceptions (aka. "Implied-in-law" Contracts)

Only eleven U.S. states have recognized a breach of an implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing as an exception to at-will employment.[9][13] These 11 states are:

Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
California
Delaware
Idaho
Massachusetts
Montana
Nevada
Utah
Wyoming
This exception for a covenant of good faith and fair dealing represents the most significant departure from the traditional employment-at-will doctrine. Rather than narrowly prohibiting terminations based on public policy or an implied contract, this exception — at its broadest – reads a covenant of good faith and fair dealing into every employment relationship. It has been interpreted, by some courts, to mean either that employer personnel decisions are subject to a “just cause” standard or that terminations made in bad faith or motivated by malice are prohibited.
Statutory exceptions
Although all U.S. states have a number of statutory protections for employees, most wrongful termination suits brought under statutory causes of action use the federal anti-discrimination statutes which prohibit firing or refusing to hire an employee because of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, or handicap status. Other reasons an employer may not use to fire an at-will employee are:

for refusing to commit illegal acts – An employer is not permitted to fire an employee because the employee refuses to commit an act that is illegal.
family or medical leave – federal law permits most employees to take a leave of absence for specific family or medical problems. An employer is not permitted to fire an employee who takes family or medical leave for a reason outlined in the Family and Medical Leave Act.
Not following own termination procedures – often, the employee handbook or company policy outlines a procedure that must be followed before an employee is terminated. If the employer fires an employee without following this procedure, the employee may have a claim for wrongful termination.[14]
Examples of federal statutes include:

Equal Pay Act of 1963 (relating to discrimination on the basis of sex in payment of wages);
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (relating to discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin);
Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (relating to certain discrimination on the basis of age with respect to persons of at least 40 years of age);
Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (related to certain discrimination on the basis of handicap status);
Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (relating to certain discrimination on the basis of handicap status).
The National Labor Relations Act provided protection to members of labor unions, but this portion of the Act has been repealed.

[beegee]

LOL.......... You guys slay me......... Defending
Palin's breaking a law by dragging out Bill Clintions
sex act???

Then the secret Muslim crud, and the Rev.??

Liberals slay me... mocking and obfuscating and deflecting. It wasn't about Clinton's sex act. It was Clinton's defilement of the public trust and lying and lying and lying and having the arrogance to tell people he was not lying.

[Eaglerock]

Liberals slay me... mocking and obfuscating and deflecting. It wasn't about Clinton's sex act. It was Clinton's defilement of the public trust and lying and lying and lying and having the arrogance to tell people he was not lying.

Lying about something that was and should have been between him and his wife.
So that is not ok but laying about Iraq and this war is ok?

Bad to get a hummer but not bad to kill millions. Both are wrong, but I don't care to hear about someone elses sex life.

[BjornBee]

Liberals slay me... mocking and obfuscating and deflecting. It wasn't about Clinton's sex act. It was Clinton's defilement of the public trust and lying and lying and lying and having the arrogance to tell people he was not lying.

Right on target.

[JPK1NH]

Here are the At Will details specific to Alaska Law

And nowhere in there is there any indication that the Employer has any obligation to provide a reason for dismissal...only that it cannot be for illegal reasons (Descrimination, Medical Leave etc).

Palin ordered a subordinate Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan to dismiss Trooper Wooten. There is nothing illegal about this according to Alaska State Law.

When Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan refused to comply he was insubordinate...again...the firing of Monegan was ALSO not illegal.

This whole thing is a desperate action by the left and individuals in her own party that are threatened by her cleaning house.

articles.directorym.com/Employment_At_Will_Alaska-r936126-Alaska.html
Job applicants and new employees are often perplexed to read -- in a job application, employment contract, or employee handbook -- that they will be employed "at will." They are even more troubled when they find out exactly what this language means: An at-will employee can be fired at any time, for any reason (except for a few illegal reasons, spelled out below). If the employer decides to let you go, that's the end of your job -- and you have very limited legal rights to fight your termination.

If you are employed at will, your employer does not need good cause to fire you. In every state but Montana (which protects employees who have completed an initial "probationary period" from being fired without cause), employers are free to adopt at-will employment policies, and many of them have. In fact, unless your employer gives some clear indication that it will only fire employees for good cause, the law presumes that you are employed at will.

This article will help you figure out whether you're employed at will, what rights you have as an at-will employee, and what you should do if your prospective or current employer asks you to sign an at-will agreement.
Are You an At-Will Employee?

The law generally presumes that you are employed at will unless you can prove otherwise, usually through written documents relating to your employment or oral statements your employer has made.
Employment Documents

Many employers take pains to point out, in their written policies, applications, handbook, job evaluations, or other employment-related documents, that their employees work at will. If you are currently employed, look through your employment documents -- particularly those you have signed -- to see whether any of them mention at-will employment. If you have signed a document agreeing that you are an at-will employee, that's probably the end of the story.

If you have not signed an at-will agreement, check your employee manual or other written workplace policies -- do they state that you can be fired at any time? That you can be fired without cause? Even if your employer does not use the term "at will," statements that you can be fired without a good reason are indications that your employer follows an at-will policy.

On the other hand, some employers have written policies that require good cause to fire, provide an exclusive list of reasons for which employees can be fired, or otherwise provide employees some job protections. If your employer has adopted these kinds of policies, you are entitled to rely on them.
Statements by Your Employer

Has your employer made any statements, either during the hiring process or after, indicating that you will be fired only for good cause? For example, an employer might say, "You'll always have a home here as long as you do a good job," or "We never fire an employee who's performing well." In this situation, especially if the comments have been made repeatedly and/or were a big reason you took the job, your employer may not be able to fire you at will.

On the other hand, if you are told during the hiring process or afterwards that you will be an at-will employee, your employer will certainly rely on that statement as proof that it reserved the right to fire you for any reason, if you are terminated and take legal action against your employer.
Your Rights as an At-Will Employee

Even if you are an at-will employee, you still cannot be fired for reasons that are illegal under state and federal law. In these situations, the government has decided to make an exception to the general rule of at-will employment.

For example, if your employer is subject to federal and state laws prohibiting job discrimination (as all but the smallest employers are), you cannot be fired because of certain characteristics, such as your race, religion, or gender. . And you cannot be fired for exercising a variety of legal rights, including the right to take family and medical leave, to take leave to serve in the military, or to take time off work to vote or serve on a jury.
At-Will Agreements

To protect their right to fire at will, many employers ask job applicants and new employees to sign a written statement agreeing that they are (or will be) employed at will. Such a statement might appear in an employment application, an employment contract or offer letter that the employer asks you to sign and return, an acknowledgment form for an employee handbook, or elsewhere.
When You Should Sign at At-Will Agreement

Theoretically, you don't have to sign an at-will agreement -- but most courts have held that your employer can fire (or refuse to hire) you for failing to do so. For this reason, most applicants and employees simply grit their teeth and sign on the dotted line.

Even though you may not have much choice about signing an at-will agreement, that doesn't mean your employer will rely on it to fire you without a good reason. Savvy employers know that they have nothing to gain by firing employees arbitrarily. Instead, employers are often motivated to work through issues with you before resorting to such drastic measures.
When You Should Think Twice Before Signing an Agreement

Be wary of signing an at-will agreement if you relied on your employer's promises of continued employment when you decided to accept the job. For example, let's say that your employer promised, during the hiring process, that it would give you at least one year to learn your new job and that you would not be fired during that time. If that promise influenced your decision to take the job, you should not sign an at-will agreement contradicting the promise. Virtually every court will treat a signed at-will agreement as the final word on the subject, no matter what your employer said to you earlier.

If your employer wants you to sign an at-will agreement that seems to undercut its promises, ask about the discrepancy. If the employer stands by its earlier statements, ask that they be put in writing. If your employer refuses to honor its statements or changes its tune, it might be time to talk to a lawyer -- particularly if you quit another job on the basis of those broken promises.

[JPK1NH]

Lying about something that was and should have been between him and his wife.
So that is not ok but laying about Iraq and this war is ok?

Bad to get a hummer but not bad to kill millions. Both are wrong, but I don't care to hear about someone elses sex life.

But thats not what happened.

Clinton was having sex in the Oval Office and other places in the WH during the course of the normal business day....during hours that Lewinski was being employed and paid by the American Taxpayer.

You should have no illusions that these acts took place on their own time because they did not.

Additionally this whole disgusting event was a distraction during a critical point in time when Clinton SHOULD have been focused on tracking down what would become the 9/11 Terrorists and Bin Laden.

Clinton not only lied to the nation but broke numerous federal employment regs, ethics regs and was downright negligent in his failure to address a clear threat to the US.

[Eaglerock]

Right on target.

Nixon never lied? I think they all lie.

[JPK1NH]

Nixon never lied? I think they all lie.

Please don't tell me you're going to try to defend the actions of a whole slew of corrupt Democrats with THAT as a defense/justification?

[Eaglerock]

Please don't tell me you're going to try to defend the actions of a whole slew of corrupt Democrats with THAT as a defense/justification?

Nope, but after all that has gone on in Washington, with the republicans and their corruption, I am sure you will still sit there and say the Democrats are more corrupt. :doh: It is not a party thing, sorry, it is a human problem. I believe they all start out with good intentions, but end up being tempted. Yep, the devil made them do it. :shhhh:

[Eaglerock]

I like you guys, we would have fun in a room.... I wonder if you guys would be as much fun in person.

BTW, Go Steelers! :applause: I don't like Dallas Dragonfly, sorry. :eek:

[tecumseh]

sundance writes:
A legislative committee has charged that Palin
unlawfully abused her authority as Governor of
Alaska. Unanimously voted on as well.

tecumseh replies:
not to fully disagree with ya' here sundance, but the way I took it was mr palin had broken no law (she had every right to dismiss the state's head trooper for no cause what so ever) but that her actions (it would seem more the actions of her husband) did indeed breach ethical standards.

quite obviously ALL these problems are in some form or fashion related to mr clinton being unable to keep his reproductive organs confined within his pants (well it is likely at least one of the prime reasons that al gore was not president or that hillary is not the democrats choice for president).

[sqkcrk]

"Palin Abused Power".---Whoa!, that Sarah is just a 'rascal',...........isn't she.

Isn't the term Maverick a masculine term? What's the feminine equivalent? Or does her claim of Maverickness say something?

[Bodo]

Isn't the term Maverick a masculine term? What's the feminine equivalent? Or does her claim of Maverickness say something?

Dude looks like a Lady? :s :no:

[JPK1NH]

Nope, but after all that has gone on in Washington, with the republicans and their corruption, I am sure you will still sit there and say the Democrats are more corrupt. :doh: It is not a party thing, sorry, it is a human problem. I believe they all start out with good intentions, but end up being tempted. Yep, the devil made them do it. :shhhh:

Its a matter of Values.

How about we do this.

You provide a list of Republican Scandals that comes remotely close is scope and severity to the one I provided earlier in the thread and then we'll talk.

[tecumseh]

jpk writes:
You provide a list of Republican Scandals that comes remotely close is scope and severity

tecumseh replies:
so dude how far back might you think would be appropriate to go? perhaps as far back as the crimes of gw's granddaddy or perhaps the multipule crime's of richard nixon or the crimes of ronnie ray-gun (my heart says no, but my mind says yes).

I would guess that the various crimes of the above... trading and negotiating with the enemy at a time of war for personal gain might be a bit like comparing apples to oranges.

on some thread posted long ago I think jim fischer composed a short list of republican crimes in the short terms. you are of course responsible for doing your own homework.

[JPK1NH]

jpk writes:
You provide a list of Republican Scandals that comes remotely close is scope and severity

tecumseh replies:
so dude how far back might you think would be appropriate to go? perhaps as far back as the crimes of gw's granddaddy or perhaps the multipule crime's of richard nixon or the crimes of ronnie ray-gun (my heart says no, but my mind says yes).

I would guess that the various crimes of the above... trading and negotiating with the enemy at a time of war for personal gain might be a bit like comparing apples to oranges.

on some thread posted long ago I think jim fischer composed a short list of republican crimes in the short terms. you are of course responsible for doing your own homework.

T, as usual, lots of unsupported opinion, little substance and no fact.

Keep up the good work and let us know when you find that list.

Have a great day!

[Eaglerock]

You provide a list of Republican Scandals that comes remotely close is scope and severity to the one I provided earlier in the thread and then we'll talk.

Here are some:

When Republicans were swept out of power in 2006, they blamed the Mark Foley scandal for their losses and declared an end to Republican scandals.

So how's that working out?

Here's a list of Republicans scandals through August 2007. The Republican "culture of corruption" is worse than ever!

Keep this list handy and send it to any Republicans you know who think their party's scandals are behind them.

Source:
http://senate2008guru.blogspot.com/2007/08/republican-culture-of-corruption-2007.html

January 23, 2007: Republican radio personality Scott Eller Cortelyou of Denver arrested on suspicion of using the Internet to lure a child into a sexual relationship

January 29, 2007: Republican former Jefferson County, Colorado, Treasurer Mark Paschall indicted on two felony charges "in connection with an allegation that Paschall solicited a kickback from a bonus he awarded one of his employees"

January 31, 2007: Republican Congressman Gary Miller is named by Republicans as ranking member of oversight subcommittee of House Financial Services Committee despite the FBI's investigation into his land deals

February 14, 2007: Major Republican fundraiser Brent Wilkes and former CIA executive director Kyle "Dusty" Foggo are indicted by a grandy jury for corrupting CIA contracts

February 16, 2007: Major Republican donor Abdul Tawala Ibn Ali Alishtari, aka Michael Mixon, is indicted in federal court on charges of providing material support to terrorists

March 5, 2007: Ethics complaint filed against Republican Senator Pete Domenici for his role in the Attorney Purge scandal

March 6, 2007: I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney found guilty of obstruction of justice and perjury

March 8, 2007: Republican former U.S. Congressman and Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich admits to extramarital affair

March 23, 2007: Former Deputy Interior Secretary J. Steven Griles, an oil and gas lobbyist who became an architect of George W. Bush's energy policies, pleads guilty to obstructing justice by lying to a Senate committee

March 27, 2007: Criminal charges filed against Republican Pennsylvania State Senator Robert Regola in connection with the death of a teenage neighbor who was shot with the senator's gun; he is accused of three counts of perjury, allowing possession of a firearm by a minor, recklessly endangering another person and false swearing

March 27, 2007: Ronald Reagan's budget director, David Stockman, "indicted on charges of defrauding investors and banks of $1.6 billion while chairman of Collins & Aikman Corp., an auto parts maker that collapsed days after he quit"

March 28, 2007: Robert Vellanoweth, a Republican activist and appointee of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, is arrested on suspicion of gross vehicular manslaughter and felony driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol, after a crash that killed three adults and one child

April 18, 2007: The FBI raids the home of Republican Congressman John Doolittle, investigating his ties to Jack Abramoff

April 19, 2007: The FBI raids a business tied to the family of Republican Congressman Rick Renzi, as part of an investigation into his business dealings

April 23, 2007: The FBI questions Republican Congressman Tom Feeney about his dealings with Jack Abramoff

April 23, 2007: Federal auditors find repeat violations of federal election law from the 2004 Senate campaign of Republican Senator Mel Martinez

April 26, 2007: David Huckabee, son of Republican Presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, is arrested at an Arkansas airport after a federal X-ray technician detected a loaded gun in his carry-on luggage

May 4, 2007: Bruce Weyhrauch and Pete Kott, former Alaska state Republican legislators, were arrested and accused of soliciting and accepting bribes from the corrupt VECO Corporation

May 4, 2007: Republican state Assemblyman Michael Cole is censured and stripped of his leadership position after the married father of two spent the night at a 21-year-old intern's apartment

May 11, 2007: A field coordinator for Republican Congressman Patrick McHenry is indicted for voter fraud in North Carolina

May 12, 2007: NBC News breaks the story that the FBI is investigating Republican Nevada Governor Jim Gibbons for suspicion of accepting bribes in exchange for securing government contracts

May 15, 2007: Connecticut Republican Party Chairman Chris Healy is arrested for drunk driving (he pled no contest on June 1, but didn't publicly disclose the event until June 11)

May 18, 2007: Republican former South Dakota State Representative Ted Klaudt is charged with eight counts of second-degree rape, two counts of sexual exploitation of a minor, one count of sexual contact with a child younger than 16, two counts of witness tampering and one count of stalking against two foster children in his care

May 21, 2007: Republican state Senate candidate Mark Tate is indicted on nine counts of perjury and two counts of election fraud by a grand jury

June 11, 2007: Republican Senator Larry Craig is arrested for lewd conduct in the men's bathroom of an airport

June 19, 2007: South Carolina Republican state Treasurer and South Carolina Chairman of Giuliani for President Thomas Ravenel is indicted by a grand jury on cocaine distribution charges

July 2, 2007: President George W. Bush commutes the sentence of former Cheney Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby following Libby's conviction on obstruction of justice and perjury

July 3, 2007: A grand jury report declares that the sale of public land to Republican Congressman Ken Calvert and his business partners violated the law

July 11, 2007: Republican state Representative and Florida co-Chairman of McCain for President Bob Allen is arrested for soliciting a male undercover police officer, offering to pay $20 to perform oral sex

July 16, 2007: Republican Senator David Vitter holds press conference acknowledging being on the D.C. Madam's list and past involvement with prostitutes

July 16, 2007: Story breaks that Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski was involved in a sweetheart real estate deal

July 19: Republican former state legislator Coy Privette is charged with six counts of aiding and abetting prostitution

July 24, 2007: Michael Flory, former head of the Michigan Federation of Young Republicans, pleads guilty to sexual abuse

July 26, 2007: Media report that Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski will sell back land purchased in a sweetheart deal, following close scrutiny of the shady transaction

July 29, 2007: Glenn Murphy Jr., recently-elected Chairman of the Young Republican National Federation, is accused of sexually assaulting a sleeping man

July 30, 2007: The FBI and IRS raid the home of Republican Senator Ted Stevens following investigations into Stevens' dealings with the corrupt VECO Corporation

August 2, 2007: Bush administration senior adviser Karl Rove disregards a Congressional subpoena and refuses to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee

August 6, 2007: Investigation called for after House Republican Leader John Boehner leaked classified information regarding a secret court ruling over warrantless wiretapping

August 8, 2007: Republican Senator Larry Craig pleads guilty to misdemeanor disorderly conduct following his June 11 arrest

August 9, 2007: Major Republican donor Alan Fabian is charged with 23 counts of bankruptcy fraud, mail fraud, money laundering, obstruction of justice, and perjury

August 15, 2007: Republican state House candidate Angelo Cappelli is arrested for perjury and grand theft

August 22, 2007: Republican political consultant Roger Stone resigns his role with the New York state Senate Republicans after reports surfaced that he made a "threatening, obscenity-laced" phone call to the 83-year-old father of Governor Eliot Spitzer

August 27, 2007: Story breaks that Republican Senator Larry Craig was arrested and pled guilty - he had not publicly disclosed the events to that point

That seems like an awful lot of corruption, scandal, hypocrisy, impropriety, and jail-worthy crime, huh? A lot of corruption. One might say an entire Culture of Corruption

[Eaglerock]

Its a matter of Values.

You provide a list of Republican Scandals that comes remotely close is scope and severity to the one I provided earlier in the thread and then we'll talk.

Saturday, October 21, 2006
a handy dandy list of republican scandals, 2006 edition
William Rivers Pitt presents thumbnail sketches of the various Republicans involved in various scandals, ranging from sending lewd emails to teenagers to scamming Ohio taxpayers. Pitt's short list excerpted below, for your convenience. And a short update is available here.

"Jack Abramoff: The disgraced "super-lobbyist" has been nailed for wire fraud, and is cooperating in the investigation into the bribing four Republican members of congress.

Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas): Once the most powerful man in the House of Representatives, Texas congressman DeLay now stands indicted on three counts of money laundering, charges stemming from his all-out attempt to secure a permanent Republican majority in the House. His story isn't finished; the Abramoff investigators have been sniffing around his door for months now.

Rep. Bob Ney (R-Ohio): Ney has pleaded guilty to accepting bribes from Jack Abramoff. Ney pulled #4 out of the bag of GOP excuses above, announcing that he has entered a rehab clinic for alcohol addiction.

Tony Rudy: Once the deputy chief of staff for Tom DeLay, Rudy has pleaded guilty to bribing a Republican House member, said member widely assumed to be Bob Ney. Rudy also pleaded guilty to accepting bribes from Abramoff in return for favorable actions on Abramoff's behalf by his former boss.

Mike Scanlon: Another Republican lobbyist and former DeLay press secretary, Scanlon has pleaded guilty to stealing millions of dollars from Native American tribes, on whose behalf he was supposed to be lobbying Congress regarding casinos. Scanlon is also cooperating with federal investigators.

Rep. Randy Cunningham (R-Calif.): The California congressman has pleaded guilty to accepting $2.5 million in bribes, in exchange for steering federal contracts to a number of defense firms. Cunningham is currently staring down the barrel of eight years in prison.

Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.): There isn't much more to say about this fellow, who has joined Rep. Ney in the I'm-an-alcoholic-going-to-rehab club.

Rep. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.): Long considered to be little more than the mush-mouthed front man for Tom DeLay, Speaker of the House Hastert has found himself swept up in the Foley scandal. Several fellow congressmen have said that they warned Hastert about Foley's improper behavior, but nothing was done about it until the Foley emails went public. The watchword for today is "cover-up."

I. Lewis Libby: Cheney's former chief of staff, "Scooter" Libby, has been indicted on five counts of lying to investigators regarding the outing of deep-cover CIA agent Valerie Plame.

David Safavian: Once the head of the White House Office of Federal Procurement, Safavian has been convicted of four counts of lying to investigators regarding a bribe he took from Abramoff.

Claude Allen: Formerly a domestic policy advisor to the White House, Allen was arrested for shoplifting thousands of dollars worth of merchandise from various retail stores.

Brian Doyle: Formerly the Department of Homeland Security's deputy press secretary, Doyle was arrested for attempting to seduce a 14-year-old girl over the internet.

James Tobin: Tobin, who served as the northeast field director for the Republican Senate Campaign Committee, has been convicted on two counts of conspiracy stemming from a phone-jamming scheme in New Hampshire during the 2002 midterms. Tobin made dozens of phone calls during this time to the White House political affairs office. He was sentenced to ten months in prison.

Susan Ralston: An aide to White House political advisor Karl Rove, Ralston resigned recently after her multiple meetings with Jack Abramoff became public knowledge. Ralston was also in the habit of accepting gifts, such as tickets to sporting events, from the disgraced lobbyist.

Rep. John Doolittle (R-Calif.): Doolittle hasn't been convicted of anything yet, but has rolled out the "not a target" line regarding the investigation into Abramoff's bribery scheme.

Sen. Conrad Burns (R-Mont.): Like Doolittle, Burns has deployed the "not a target" line regarding the Abramoff probe. He is, however, apparently a "target" of the probe, a fact that has his staffers splitting rhetorical hairs at warp speed.

Rep. Jim Kolbe (R-Ariz.): Rep. Dale Kildee, the only Democrat on the House Page Board, dropped an interesting brick the other day. While commenting on a conference call between page board members regarding "other allegations" beyond those directed at Rep. Foley, Kildee said, "It was about other allegations and I'd like to leave it at that. Let me just say, not about Mr. Foley." These "other allegations" appear to be augering towards Rep. Kolbe, who took two former pages on a camping trip several years ago. A federal investigation has been opened to look into the matter.

Sen. Bill Frist (R-Tenn.): The senate majority leader is currently under investigation by the SEC for seemingly taking advantage of insider information to make a killing on stocks, the company attached to said stocks being owned by his family.

Lester Crawford: Once the Bush administration's FDA commissioner, Crawford has been charged in federal court for conflict of interest, and for making false statements related to his investments. He recently pleaded guilty to the charges.

Rep. Curt Weldon (R-Pa.): The home of Weldon's daughter was raided by federal investigators on Monday. The investigators are looking hard at her lobbying firm, and whether her well-connected father improperly steered business her way. Weldon has pulled out #2 above, laying the whole thing off on a Democratic plot to destroy him.

Tom Noe: A four-star Republican fund-raiser in Ohio, Noe has just gone on trial for stealing millions from a fund for injured workers and spending it on himself."

Oh and keep in mind -- these are only Republicans charged with crimes or under investigation for crimes. The list doesn't included the REAL scandals. Deceiving the country into a stupid, disastrous was in Iraq. Tax cuts for the rich, followed by tax cuts for the rich, followed by tax cuts for the rich, while shredding out fiscal health. Torture. The end of habeas corpus. Ignoring climate change.

[Eaglerock]

Its a matter of Values.

How about we do this.

You provide a list of Republican Scandals that comes remotely close is scope and severity to the one I provided earlier in the thread and then we'll talk.

Republican Sex Scandals
(Full list of scandals at Moral Values)

2008

Bruce Barclay, former Cumberland County commissioner, videotaped hundreds of sexual encounters — many with male escorts — using cameras hidden throughout his Monroe Township home.[1]

Matthew Joseph Elliott, former aide to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, was convicted of sexual exploitation of a child.[2]

Vito Fossella, the only Republican member of Congress from New York City, admitted to police to having a child out-of-wedlock when stopped for drunk driving.[3]

Robert McKee, Republican delegate from Western Maryland, announced his resignation after authorities seized two computers, videotapes and printed materials from his Hagerstown home in a child pornography investigation. McKee also resigned his position as executive director of Big Brothers Big Sisters of Washington County.[4]

Daniel Dean Thompson, 31, a Utah retailer of "family-friendly" tapes and DVDs (Hollywood films with the "dirty parts" cut out of them), arrested and booked into the Utah County jail on charges of sexual abuse and unlawful sexual activity with a 14-year-old.[5]

Derek Walker, former Eagle Scout and candidate seeking the GOP nomination in a race for north-central Pennsylvania district, was charged with felony burglary and criminal trespass stemming from an encounter last year with an ex-girlfriend, during which he allegedly broke into her home and used his cell phone to videotape her engaged in an intimate moment with another man.[6]

2007
Robert "Bob" Allen, Florida state Rep. Arrested in the afternoon at a Veteran's Memorial Park for solicitation of prostitution from an undercover male officer inside a restroom. According to the papers Bob "offer[ed] to perform oral sex for $20". Bob Later claimed that his offer had something to do with his being afraid of black people.[7]

John David Roy Atchison, Republican prosecutor, was arrested for soliciting sex from a 5-year old girl, then killed himself three weeks later. At the time of his arrest, Atchison was an "assistant U.S. attorney" appointed by President Bush's attorney general.[8]

E. Ozwald Balfour, chairman of the Utah Republican Black Assembly and elected to the Republican State Central Committee in 2007, even though he was awaiting trial on four felony counts of forcible sex abuse dating back to his arrest in February, 2005.[9]

John Bryan, Republican city councilman, killed himself after police began investigating allegations that he had molested three girls, including two of his adopted daughters, ages 12 and 15.[10]

Larry Craig Republican Senator for Idaho, was arrested on July 11, 2007, by plainclothes police officer investigating complaints of lewd behavior in a Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport airport men's room. On August 8 in Hennepin County Municipal Court in Bloomington, Minnesota, Craig entered a guilty plea and paid a $500 fine.[11]. On September 1st, Craig subsequently announced his retirement from the Senate[12]. Five days later, Craig changed his mind, renounced his retirement and began a battle to have his guilty plea overturned.[13]

John R. Curtin, Monroe County state Republican committeeman, was convicted of molesting an underage teenage boy and sentenced to serve six to 18 months in prison.[14]

Richard Curtis, Washington State Rep., resigned from the House after reports of his sexual encounter with a male escort became public.[15]

Donald Fleischman, Brown County, WI, Republican Party Chairman, resigned his post after he was charged with two counts of child enticement, two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a child and a single charge of exposing himself to a child.[16]

Larry Dale Floyd, Republican Constable in Denton County, Texas Precinct Two. Arrested for allegedly crossing state lines to have sex with an 8-year old child and was charged with 7 related offenses. Age 62 at time of arrest.[17]

Ted Klaudt, former South Dakota State Rep., found guilty of four counts of second-degree rape of two teenage foster daughters.[18][19]

Ronald C. Kline, Republican Judge in Orange County, CA, pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer after six years of legal wrangling. In 2002, charged with child molestation and under house arrest on federal charges of possessing child pornography, political analysts still gave him a 50-50 chance of winning the March 5 primary for the Orange County Superior Court seat. He lost the election to a write-in candidate.

Joseph M. McDade, 75, was issued a summons on a charge of exposure of sexual organs, a misdemeanor that carries up to a year in jail and a $1,000 fine. The longtime Pennsylvania Republican congressman who served for 36 years in the House and now works for a Washington lobbying firm, has been accused of exposing his private parts to two women at a beach resort on Sanibel Island. [20]

Patrick Lee McGuire, former former Flagler County Commissioner, surrendered to police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and 13.[21]

Jon Matthews, Republican talk show host in Houston, was indicted for indecency with a child, including exposing his genitals to a girl under the age of 17.[22]

Joseph Monteleone Jr., Elyria city councilman, was found guilty of fondling underage girls and asking them, to have sex with him.[23]

Glenn Murphy Jr., chairman of the Clark County Republican Party and president of the Young Republican National Federation, resigned both posts, after the Clark County Sheriff’s Department began investigating Murphy for alleged criminal deviate conduct. A 22-year-old man claimed that Murphy performed an unwanted sex act on him while the man slept in a relative’s Jeffersonville home. During the investigation, a similar accusation from 1998 came to light.[24]

Armando Tebano, Schenectady County Republican Chairman, pleaded guilty to fondling a 14-year-old girl.[25]

David Vittner, junior Senator from Louisiana, became one of the few high-profile politicians to be implicated as a client of "D.C. Madam" Deborah Jeane Palfrey.[26]

2006
Steve Aiken, campaign manager for a Republican candidate for Congress in Arizona, former Quakertown, PA, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend, was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.[27]

Louis Beres, chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon. 3 of his family members accuse him of molesting them when they were pre-teens. In August 06, Beres confessed.[28]

Howard L. Brooks, Republican legislative aide and adviser to a California assemblyman, was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography. [29]

Randall Casseday, Washington Times newspaper executive, pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.[30]

Larry Corrigan, Republican operative and Director of Operations and Budget at King County Prosecutor's Office, OR, was arrested for soliciting sex from 13-year old girls.[31]

Carey Lee Cramer Political consultant and anti-Kerry ad producer, tried for molesting two young girls, one of whom lived with him, and was 8 yrs old; the other starred in an anti-Kerry commercial. Diary [32]

Mark Foley, Republican Representative, Florida Sixteenth Congressional District. Resigned after trying to solicit sex from male congressional pages via an instant messenger program. The conversations included his asking a sixteen-year-old "stud" whether his penis was erect and requesting that he take out and measure his penis. The cover-up involved Republican House Majority Leader John Boehner, Ohio Eighth Congressional District and Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert, Illinois Fourteenth District.[33]

Jim Gibbons, then US Rep. and Republican candidate for governor, was accused by a Las Vegas casino cocktail waitress of grabbing her, shoving her against a wall and threatening her after she rebuffed his advances.[34][35] Since elected Governor, Gibbons is under investigation by the FBI on corruption charges and is embroiled in what looks set to become a very messy divorce.[36]

Ted Haggard, was fired as pastor of the New Life Church and resigned from his position as president of the National Association of Evangelicals in November 2006 after a former male prostitute alleged they had a cash-for-sex relationship. The man also said he saw Haggard use methamphetamine. Haggard confessed to undisclosed “sexual immorality” and said he bought meth but didn’t use it.[37]

Don Haidl, Assistant Sheriff of Orange Country, in violation of California's rape shield law, led a smear campaign against the child his son poisoned and then violently gang-raped on videotape, adding up to 24 felony counts. He said that his son "acted accordingly" because the child was a "slut".[38][39]

Jeffrey Ray Nielsen, Christian conservative activist and lawyer with close ties to Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher and Scott Baugh, head of the Orange County Republican Party, was arrested for having sex with a 14-year old boy.[40]

Jeffrey Patti, Republican Committee Chairman, was arrested for distributing what experts call "some of the most offensive material in the child pornography world" - a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.[41]

Brent Schepp, Republican County Board Candidate was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.[42]

2005
Adelphia Communications Corp.: Donated large sums of money to some of the most conservative members of Congress. They are also the first cable company to offer hard-core adult movies to subscribers.[43]

John Collins, of Eatontown, NJ, former music teacher and city councilman, pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.[44]

John Gosek Republican Mayor of Oswego, N.Y.was arrested after paying a confidential informant $250 to introduce him to two 15-year-old girls at a hotel.[45]

Dr. W. David Hager Bush appointee, member of Focus on the Family's Physician Resource Council, player in movement to ban the morning-after-pill. Had an adulterous affair, before divorcing his wife he sexually abused her, including sodomizing her in her sleep.[46]

Russell Harding, president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. under then-mayor Rudolph Giuliani, pleaded guilty to stealing more than $400,000 for his personal use and possessing child pornography.[47]

Neal Horsley has called for the arrest of all homosexuals. During an interview with Alan Colmes on the Fox News Radio's The Alan Colmes Show, he admitted to having engaged in sex with a mule at age 11. "When you grow up on a farm in Georgia, your first girlfriend is a mule," he said. He then credited Jesus with forgiving and cleansing him of his "sin."

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Jeff Miller, (R-Cleveland), Senate Republican Caucus Chairman in Tennessee and the sponsor of Tennessee’s Marriage Protection act, getting divorced (as of April 2005) because of an affair he was having with an office aid. Miller described the Tennessee Marriage Protection Act as a means of preserving the sanctity of marriage. He opposed an amendment, however, which stated that “Adultery is deemed to be a threat to the institution of marriage and contrary to public policy in Tennessee.”

Dennis L. Rader, AKA, The BTK Killer, Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president, pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.[48]

Jeffrey Kyle Randall, Republican Mayor of Clarkfield, Minnesota, was sentenced to 275 days in jail for molesting two boys--ages ten and 12--during a six-year period.[49]

Jean Schmidt, OH-2, though not herself implicated, employed a campaign manager (Joe Braun) in her 2005 election who once wrote an article condemning gay men for running sex ad profiles, and who was then accused of running his own sex profile on Collarme, an S&M sex site. The profile called for "submissives" to wear only a collar and handcuffs and to have hot wax dripped on them.[50]

Mark Seidensticker, Republican campaign worker, is a convicted child molester.[51]

Don Sherwood, Republican member of the U.S. House of Representatives. Eventually admitted to an affair with a woman 30 years younger than him, after she accused him of physical abuse and attempting to choke her. [52]

Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr., Republican City Councilman, pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.[53]

Jim Stelling, Seminole County Republican Party chairman who believes in "family values", as he told a judge. Filed a defamation lawsuit against Nancy Goettman, a former county GOP executive committee member, for falsely claiming he had been married six times. Stelling has been married 5 times. [54]

Bobby Stumbo, former Floyd County, KY, Republican Party leader, was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.[55]

Jim West, Spokane Mayor. Supported a bill, which failed, would have barred gays and lesbians from working in schools, day-care centers and some state agencies. Voted to bar the state from distributing pamphlets telling people how to protect themselves from AIDS. Proposed that “any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person” among teens be criminalized. Had a sexual affair with an 18 year old boy.[56]

2004
Edison Misla Aldarondo, Republican former speaker of Puerto Rico's house of representatives, was sentenced to 13 years in prison after pleading guilty to charges of intoxicating his stepdaughter and her 17-year-old friend and attempting to rape the friend.[57]

Paul Crouch Televangelist, Former President of Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). Paid $425,000 in hush money in an attempt to cover up a gay affair.[58]

Richard A. Dasen Sr., Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, convicted of sexual abuse of children, promotion of prostitution and several counts of solicitation, enough to add up to a sentence of 126 years in prison. Investigators estimated that he spent at least $5 million.[59][60][61]

Peter Dibble, Republican legislator pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl. [62]

Jeff Gannon, partisan blogger with no journalism credentials and a fake name who got invited to Bush's Press conferences. Is also a pimp and a gay prostitute.[63]

Mike Hintz, a First Assembly of God youth pastor, introduced by Bush on the campaign trail, and promoted his policies. Says he supports Bush's values. Two months later, this married father of four turned himself into police, charged with the sexual exploitation of a child.[64][65]

Also signed an ad (that called for criminally prosecuting business that sell porn), along with another pastor who was repeatedly busted for public masturbation.

Mark Pazuhanich, Republican judge, pleaded no contest to fondling his 10-year old daughter and was sentenced to 10 years probation.[66]

Donald Rumsfeld, Republican Defense Secretary, may have authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency. See excerpt of one prisoner's report here and his full report here.[67]

Jack Ryan, 2004 Republican nominee for US Senate from Illinois, pressured his wive, actress Jeri Ryan, to have sex with other men. Tricked her into visiting sex clubs, where he asked her to have sex with him while others watched.[68]

Ed Schrock, two-term republican congressman, with a 92% approval rating from the Christian Coalition. Cosponsor of the Federal Marriage Amendment, consistently opposed gay rights. Married, with wife and kids. Withdrew his candidacy for a third term after tapes of him soliciting for gay sex were circulated.[69]

David Swartz, Republican Commissioner, of Richland County, Ohio pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.[70]

Robin Vanderwall, Republican strategist and director of Faith & Family Alliance, (a Christian Coalition spin off), was convicted in April 2004 on five counts of computer solicitation of a minor and one count of attempted indecent liberties with a child.[71]

2003
John Allen Burt, Republican anti-abortion activist, convicted of sexually molesting a 15 year old girl at the home for troubled girls that he ran. [72]

Neil Bush, brother or G. W. Bush, in a March 2003 divorce deposition, admitted repeatedly having sex with strange women who just showed up at his room while on an Asian business trip. (Overshadowing the sex scandal; the business scandal--see link.) [73]

Richard A. Delgaudio, Republican fund-raiser and Bush pioneer, was found guilty of child porn charges. [74]

Jack W. Gardner, Republican Councilman, had been convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl. when the Republican Party, knowing of these crimes, put him on the ballot.[75]

Philip Giordano, Republican mayor sentenced to 37 years for forcing two 8 and 10 year old girls to perform oral sex on him in his City Hall office.[76][77]

Rush Limbaugh, triple-divorcee[78], 30-pill a day drug addict.[79]. In 2006, returning from a trip to the Dominican Republic, Limbaugh was detained by customs agents for several hours after they found a bottle of Viagra prescribed to someone else in his luggage.[80]

Pat McPherson, Douglas County Election Commissioner, resigned a day after being ticketed on suspicion of fondling a 17-year-old girl who was dressed as a restaurant mascot.[81]

Brent Parker Utah State Representative. Arrested for soliciting sex from an undercover officer posing as a male prostitute.[82]

Stephen White, infamous for preaching against homosexuality and sexual promiscuity at Yale and other college campuses, was arrested after allegedly offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.[83]

2002
Andrew Buhr, Republican politician, former committeeman for Hadley Township Missouri, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.[84]

Richard Gardner, a Nevada State Representative (R), admitted to molesting his two daughters. 34% of those who voted in Assembly District 34 preferred Gardner to the Democratic candidate.[85]

Howard Scott Heldreth, anti-abortion activist who gained fame during the Shiavo media-circus, was convicted of two charges of raping a child in 2002.[86]

Tom Randall, Republican petition drive manager of Orange County, CA, pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.[87]

Keith Westmoreland, a Tennessee state representative (R), was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to minors under 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).[88] Not long afterwards, Westmoreland committed suicide.[89]

2001
Randal David Ankeney, Republican activist, arrested on suspicion of sexual assault on a child with force. He faces 6 charges related to getting a 13-year-old girl stoned on pot and then having sex with her. [90] Also accused of sexually assaulting another girl. [91]

Parker J. Bena, Republican activist and Bush Elector, pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography (including children as young as 3 years old) on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000. [92]

Kevin Coan, Republican St. Louis Election Board official, arrested and charged with trying to buy sex from a 14-year-old girl whom he met on the Internet. [93]

John Fund, of the Wall Street Journal, a prominent anti-abortion columnist and GOP fund raiser. He lost his position after it was revealed that he impregnated the daughter of an old girlfriend and then encouraged her to abort his child.[94]

Donald "Buzz" Lukens, Republican Congressman from Ohio, was found guilty of having sex with a minor - a girl he was accused of sleeping with since she was 13.[95] Lukens was convicted in March, 1996, on five counts of bribery and conspiracy related to actions he took while in Congress.[96]

Nicholas Morency, Republican anti-abortion activist, pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor [97].

Larry Jack Schwarz, Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, fired after child pornography was found in his possession. [98] With his political career over, he went to work in the hard-core pornography industry for Platinum X Pictures, owned by his daughter, porn starlet Jewel De'Nyle (Stephany Schwarz). [99]

Tom Shortridge. Republican campaign consultant, was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl. [100]

2000
Keola Childs, Republican County Councilman, pleaded guilty to sexual assault in the first degree for molesting a male child.[101]

Matthew Glavin, president and CEO of the Southeastern Legal Foundation, big player in the Clinton Impeachment, and many anti-gay jihads, has been arrested multiple times for public indecency, one time fondling the crotch of the officer who was arresting him.[102]

Earl Kimmerling, sentenced to 40 years in prison after he confessed to molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.[103]

1999
George Roche III president of conservative Hillsdale College, MI, divorced his wife of 44 years (who had cancer) and remarried five months later. Apparently shocked and upset by the presence of a new woman in her father-in-law's life, Roche's daughter-in-law Lissa revealed that she and her father-in-law had been off-and-on lovers for 19 of the 21 years she and her husband had been married. Shortly thereafter, Lissa took her own life.[104]

1998
Merrill Robert Barter, Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy. [105]

Dan Burton, Republican Congressman who, while married, fathered a child by another woman. [106]

Dan Crane, Republican Congressman, married, father of six. Received a 100% "Morality Rating" from Christian Voice. Had sex with a minor working as a congressional page.[107] On July 20, the House voted for censure Crane, the first time that censure had been imposed for sexual misconduct.[108]

Helen Chenoweth, Congresswoman (R-Id.). In 1995, Chenoweth had denied having an affair when asked about it by The Spokane Spokesman-Review. In 1998 she called (in a campaign ad) for Bill Clinton's resignation saying "I believe that personal conduct and integrity do matter". Days later she admitted to a six-year adulterous affair with a married associate. but now she claims a pardon from a higher authority: "I've asked for God's forgiveness, and I've received it," she revealed.

Henry Hyde, Judge who oversaw Clinton's impeachment proceedings, prominent opponent of reproductive rights, who had an extramarital affair with a woman who was married and had three children, during the course of which she and her husband were divorced. [109]

1997
Mike Bowers Former State Attorney General, prosecuted the famous Bowers vs. Hardwick case, based on Georgia anti-sodomy laws. Admitted to a 10-year adulterous affair.[110]

1996
John Hathaway, Republican Senate candidate, was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.[111]

I. Lewis Libby, former Assistant to the President and Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. In 1996 published a novel containing bizarre sexual content, including bestiality and pedophillia.[112]

1995
Newt Gingrich, married three times. Gingrich campaign worker Anne Manning admitted that she gave Newt oral sex while he was still married to his first wife. Informed one wife he was filing for divorce while she was in the hospital recovering from cancer treatments.[113]

Beverly Russell, county chairman of the Christian Coalition and county coordinator of the South Carolina Citizens for Life[114], sexually molested his step-daughter, Susan Smith, who later drowned her two children.[115]. Mr. Russell continued to serve on the executive committee of the state G.O.P. as late as six months after his stepdaughter's confession of murder had brought their sexual history to light.

1994
Jim Bunn Congressman of Oregon: With his success due in great part to support from the Christian Coalition, Bunn won his congressional seat, then immediately ditched his wife (and mother of his five children), married a staffer, and put his new wife on the state payroll for the unheard-of salary of $97,500. [116]

1993
Ken Calvert, Congressman (R-Ca), champion of the Christian Coalition and its "family values." Sued as an alimony deadbeat by his ex-wife. Said "We can't forgive what occurred between the President and Lewinsky." In 1993 he was caught by police receiving oral sex from a prostitute and attempted to flee the scene.[117]

1990
Jon Grunseth, Republican businessman and candidate for Minnesota governor, withdrew his candidacy after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter, and tried to grope one. "I've made some mistakes," he said.[118]

1989
Paul Ingram, Republican Party leader of Thurston County, Washington, pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Sue Myrick, Republican mayor of Charlotte, NC, self-described "devout Christian", during her run for reelection news reports revealed that she committed adultery with a married man in 1973. Myrick admitted the adultery and won reelection. She was later elected as congresswoman for North Carolina's 9th district.

1988
Jim Bakker, televangelist with Pat Robertson at Robertson's Christian Broadcasting network. Committed adultery with Jessica Hahn [119] and then used charitable donations to pay her hush money[120]. Fellow televangelists say he's gay. [121][122] Convicted on 24 federal charges of fraud and conspiracy charges. [123].

1986
Roy Cohn, continually condemned gays and gay rights. Was a closet gay who died of AIDS. [124]

1982
John Scmitz, right-wing republican congressman, who had had his committee chairship taken away from him in the California State Senate after issuing a press release attacking Jews, feminists and gays. Forced out of office in 1982 for having an adulterous affair and fathering two children out of wedlock with one of his students. He was caught because his baby was admitted to hospital for having hair tied so tightly around his penis that it was almost severed. His daughter, Mary Kay LeTourneau, was convicted of having an adulterous affair with one of her students, and giving birth to two of his children. [125]

1980
Robert Bauman, Republican congressman and anti-gay activist, was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. [126]

1973
Ted Bundy, the notorious serial rapist who murdered 16 women. Bundy worked on the re-election campaign of Washington's Republican Governor Dan Evans. Evans was elected and he appointed Bundy to the Seattle Crime Prevention Advisory Committee.[127]

1925
Strom Thurmond, Republican senator, aged 22, fathered a child on 16-year old African American maid working for his family.[128]

Unattributed
Dick Armey (R-Texas), former professor, has been accused by The Dallas Observer of sexually harassing female students.

Bob Barr, Republican Congressman from Georgia. Sponsored the anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act, saying "The flames of hedonism, the flames of narcissism, the flames of self-centered morality are licking at the very foundation of our society, the family unit." Was married three times. Paid for his second wife's abortion (she also suspected he was cheating on her). Failed to pay child support to the children of his first two wives and while married to his third and present wife was photographed licking whipped cream off of strippers at his inaugural party.

John Bolton Bush's appointee ambassador to United Nations, corroborated allegations that Mr. Bolton’s first wife, Christina Bolton, was forced to engage in group sex have not been refuted by the State Department.

Pat Buchanan presidential candidate, media talking-head. His campaign refused to confirm or deny whether Pat has had chlamydia or any other venereal diseases.

George W. Bush, Republican president, accused in a criminal complaint and lawsuit of raping Margie Schoedinger, who was later suicided. Accused by Tammy Phillips, a former stripper quoted in the National Enquirer in 2000 saying she had an affair with Bush that had ended in 1999. Also noted by Mrs. Blount whom G.W.BUSH while campaigning for her Husband Red Blount and while G.W.BUSH was possibly A.W.O.L from the Air National Guard at age 26 he was all over their 14 year old daughter.

John Butler, Republican activist, was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Charles Canady, Congressman (R-Florida), Judiciary Committee member. Lied to his constituents about his adulterous affair with Sharon Becker, which caused her divorce.

Nicholas Elizondo, Young Republican Federation board member was convicted for molested a 6-year old girl and was sentenced to six years in prison.[129]

Thomas B. Evans, Jr. -R Congressman from Delaware may have had an affair with Paula Parkinson (see his article for more info).

Rudy Giuliani, had an adulterous affair. Pocketed $80,000 for speaking at a charity benefit for tsunami aid which raised only $60,000 for the victims themselves (Feb 2005).

Marty Glickman, Republican activist, was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with a juvenile and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

Mark A. Grethen, Republican activist, convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Mark Harris, Republican city councilman who is described as a "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Tim Hutchinson, divorced his wife of 29 years to marry a congressional aide he was having an affair with.

Bernard Kerik, had two simultaneous adulterous affairs.

Bob Livingston, former Congressman (R-La.) resigned from the House in the wake of revelations about his past adultery.

Bill O'Reilly Right-wing conservative talk show host on Fox News, sued for sexual harassment by his producer.

Bob Packwood, Senator (R-Ore.), resigned in 1995 under a threat of public senate hearings related to 10 female ex-staffers accusing him of sexual harassment.

John Paulk, lied about prowling for gay sex while running a fundamentalist group to cure gays.

John Peterson, Congressman (R-Pa), accused of sexual harassment and creation of a hostile work environment by six women. Peterson has refused to admit a crime, saying only "I may have been an excessive hugger."

Harvey Pitt, SEC Chief under George W. Bush until he was forced to resign in 2002. Worked for New Frontier Media, a firm which distributed teen sex videos.

Joe Scarborough, former Republican Congressman, currently a conservative talk show host. Resigned his congressional seat abruptly to spend more time with his family, amidst allegations of an affair. His intern, Lori Klausutis, was soon after found dead in his office. The medical examiner, who had his license revoked in Missouri for falsifying information in an autopsy report, and suspended in Florida for six years, ruled the case an accident, after giving conflicting information about her injuries. He said he lied about them because "The last thing we wanted was 40 questions about a head injury."

Dr. Laura Schlessinger, right wing conservative radio host. Promotes family values, estranged from her mother, opposes birth control, has had her tubes tied, espouses saving oneself for marriage, admits to having had sex before she was married, opposes adultery, has committed adultery while she was married, and has slept with a married man, opposes divorce, is divorced and remarried, has posed for nude photos which are available online.

Arnold Schwarzenegger, Republican governor, had sex with a 16 year old when he was 28.

Jimmy Swaggart, televangelist, said during a sermon "I'm trying to find the correct name for it … this utter absolute, asinine, idiotic stupidity of men marrying men. … I've never seen a man in my life I wanted to marry. And I'm gonna be blunt and plain; if one ever looks at me like that, I'm gonna kill him and tell God he died." Had an affair with a prostitute.

Randall Terry, Right to Life activist, founder of Operation Rescue, involved in the Terri Schiavo protests. Once imprisoned for sending former President Bill Clinton an aborted fetus. His son Jamiel is gay; his daughter Tila had sex outside of marriage, became pregnant, had a miscarriage - she is no longer welcome in his home; his daughter Ebony had 2 children outside of wedlock and became Muslim. He has campaigned against infidelity and birth control, gays and unwed mothers. Terry himself was censured by his church after committing adultery.

Bill Thomas Republican congressman, had an affair with Deborah Steelman, a health care lobbyist who steered huge campaign gifts to Thomas' war chest.

J.C. Watts, Representative (R-Oklahoma), loud champion of "moral values." Has out-of-wedlock children.

[Eaglerock]

Its a matter of Values.

How about we do this.

You provide a list of Republican Scandals that comes remotely close is scope and severity to the one I provided earlier in the thread and then we'll talk.

http://www.netrootsmass.net/hughs-bush-scandals-list/

[Eaglerock]

Sadly- I know there are many Democrats that have done as bad. Like I always say, it is the human nature, not the party they belong to. Temptation goes to the man/woman not the party.

[Ravenseye]

Exactly my thoughts Eaglerock. Whenever we boil it down to a "party" thing, we paint everyone with the same brush. Every time someone claims that republicans or democrats are a certain way or do a certain thing, I can unfailingly find an example to prove them wrong. Sometimes I wonder if pointing an accusatory finger at a political party is nothing more than hating certain classes of people in a more civilized manner.

[Derek]

have you ever hit another man in the face with your fist???


hurts a bit Hu! ! !:shhhh:


Yeah it does. Broke my hand a few years back. Texas has the Castle Doctrine now. Haven't broke a bone since. ;)

[Eaglerock]

October 13, 2008

We are a stalwart and stouthearted people, and never more so than in hard times. People weep in the dark and arise in the morning and go to work. The waves crash on your nest egg and a chunk is swept away and you put your salami sandwich in the brown bag and get on the bus. In Philly, a woman earns $10.30/hour to care for a man brought down by cystic fibrosis. She bathes and dresses him in the morning, brings him meals, puts him to bed at night. It's hard work lifting him and she has suffered a painful hernia that, because she can't afford health insurance, she can't get fixed, but she still goes to work because he'd be helpless without her. There are a lot of people like her. I know because I'm related to some of them.

Low dishonesty and craven cynicism sometimes win the day but not inevitably. The attempt to link Barack Obama to an old radical in his neighborhood has desperation and deceit written all over it. Meanwhile, stunning acts of heroism stand out, such as the fidelity of military lawyers assigned to defend detainees at Guantanamo Bay -- uniformed officers faithful to their lawyerly duty to offer a vigorous defense even though it means exposing the injustice of military justice that is rigged for conviction and the mendacity of a commander in chief who commits war crimes. If your law school is looking for a name for its new library, instead of selling the honor to a fat cat alumnus, you should consider the names of Lt. Cmdr. Charles Swift, Lt. Col. Mark Bridges, Col. Steven David, Lt. Col. Sharon Shaffer, Lt. Cmdr. Philip Sundel and Maj. Michael Mori.

It was dishonest, cynical men who put forward a clueless young woman for national office, hoping to juice up the ticket, hoping she could skate through two months of chaperoned campaigning, but the truth emerges: The lady is talking freely about matters she has never thought about. The American people have an ear for B.S. They can tell when someone's mouth is moving and the clutch is not engaged. When she said, "One thing that Americans do at this time, also, though, is let's commit ourselves just every day, American people, Joe Six-Pack, hockey moms across the nation, I think we need to band together and say never again. Never will we be exploited and taken advantage of again by those who are managing our money and loaning us these dollars," people smelled gas.

Some Republicans adore her because they are pranksters at heart and love the consternation of grown-ups. The ne'er-do-well son of the old Republican family as president, the idea that you increase government revenue by cutting taxes, the idea that you cut social services and thereby drive the needy into the middle class, the idea that you overthrow a dictator with a show of force and achieve democracy at no cost to yourself -- one stink bomb after another, and now Governor Palin.