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Sundance
10-09-2008, 08:13 PM
Seems that there is a lot less support than I would
expect for McCain from vets............ a D????

Obama graded a B by the same group.

http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/obama-outscores-mccain-in--veterans-groups-report-card-2008-10-06.html

I usually don't do much cut and paste so cut me some
slack........ this needs to be seen.

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Barack Obama vs. John McCain – The Veterans’ Choice Is Clear
Written by Colonel Richard Klass, USAF (ret.)
Tuesday, 02 September 2008
When it comes to supporting veterans in Congress, the choice between Barack Obama and John McCain couldn’t be clearer. Here’s how Obama has demonstrated that he is the candidate best suited to restore the sacred trust with America’s veterans.



Barack Obama immediately chose to serve on the Veterans Affairs Committee upon entering the Senate.

In his 25 years in Congress, John McCain has never served on the Veterans Affairs Committee.



Barack Obama fought, cosponsored, and voted for the bipartisan New GI Bill of Rights.

John McCain and the Bush Administration opposed the New GI Bill, and McCain skipped important votes on it – TWICE – because he was too busy campaigning.



Barack Obama cosponsored and voted for a bipartisan bill requiring that active-duty troops receive at least as much time at home (“dwell time”) as the length of their previous deployment.

John McCain and the Bush Administration opposed the bill. McCain called the bill “micromanagement which would create chaos” and voted against it.



Barack Obama is supporting legislation to reverse the current Bush Administration policy of not allowing non-partisan voter registration in VA hospitals and nursing homes, despite a federal law allowing it.

John McCain continues to support this policy which denies the opportunity to vote to those who have sacrificed to bring democracy to foreign lands.



Barack Obama helped pass 10 key veterans bills since 2007, including three bills he personally introduced which 1) prevented veterans with PTSD or TBI from being wrongfully discharged and 2) protected family members from being fired for taking time off work to care for wounded service members. Obama has also sponsored 36 additional veterans bills since 2007, reaching across the aisle consistently to work with Senate Republicans.

John McCain seems to take veterans support for granted. McCain has failed to endorse numerous efforts sponsored by Barack Obama and Senate Republicans, including:



* The Veterans Suicide Prevention Act, which passed with support from 11 Republicans *

The bipartisan Traumatic Brain Injury Act, which passed unanimously *

* S.773, with 61 cosponsors including 28 Republicans, which allows military retirees to pay health insurance premiums on a pretax basis and reduces TRICARE supplemental premiums *

* S.961, with 59 cosponsors including 22 Republicans, which provides benefits to people who served in the merchant marine during World War II *

* S.1838, introduced by both Republican senators from Texas, which provides veterans hospital service in the Rio Grande Valley so veterans do not have to drive 250 miles to San Antonio *



Barack Obama voted for a bipartisan 2006 amendment that would have provided consistent funding for veteran's health care, while taking into account changes in the veterans population and inflation, by closing corporate tax loopholes and delaying tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans.

John McCain voted against the amendment.



Barack Obama voted for a bipartisan 2005 amendment that would have provided $500 million dollars per year from 2006 to 2010 for readjustment counseling, related mental health services, and rehabilitation for veterans with mental illness, PTSD, or substance use disorder.

John McCain voted against the amendment.

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Here's more on this

http://www.vetpac.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=105&Itemid=31

ENCRickey
10-09-2008, 08:45 PM
Nice try. That is a definite hate America First group if I have ever seen one. Try the VFW, or DAV. I have not looked but I bet they don't endorse a white flag waving Obama.

Keith Jarrett
10-09-2008, 08:51 PM
Sundance,

In this case, ACTION speaks louder than words.

Sundance
10-09-2008, 09:24 PM
Sundance,

In this case, ACTION speaks louder than words.

Looks like McCain's INACTION did here..........

Keith Jarrett
10-09-2008, 09:32 PM
Looks like McCain's INACTION did here..........

No Sundance, Maybe you should read the papers more and a little less time watching SNL.

Mcain did not like the language in the bill "pork".

Derek
10-09-2008, 10:23 PM
Nice try. That is a definite hate America First group if I have ever seen one. Try the VFW, or DAV. I have not looked but I bet they don't endorse a white flag waving Obama.

The VFW is non-partisan and does not endorse political candidates. Presidential anyway. Not sure about the DAV.

tecumseh
10-10-2008, 06:57 AM
derek1 writes:
The VFW is non-partisan and does not endorse political candidates. Presidential anyway.

tecumseh:
curious name... at least here you need not be a verteran nor a vet of a foreign war to be a member. it does seem you must be a heavy drinker to join however.

Sundance
10-10-2008, 08:10 AM
No Sundance, Maybe you should read the papers more and a little less time watching SNL.

Mcain did not like the language in the bill "pork".

Enough with the belittling patronization Keith. I get most
my info from CSPAN, and reading. If you don't agree, that's
perfectly fine and acceptable. But to belittle those that
disagree??

dragonfly
10-10-2008, 08:35 AM
Seems that there is a lot less support than I would
expect for McCain from vets............ a D????



My guess is that's because they "want stuff" and no reflection on McCain's veteran status. I believe McCain has paid his dues with highly compounded interest when it comes to earning his veteran status.

Keith Jarrett
10-10-2008, 08:41 AM
Enough with the belittling patronization Keith. ??

Well Sundance, you belittled John McCain with your lop-sided post right from the start.

Just being "fair & balance" here. :)

Sundance
10-10-2008, 08:47 AM
Well Sundance, you belittled John McCain with your lop-sided post right from the start.

Just being "fair & balance" here. :)


Apparently you don't get it.......... So if someone disagrees
with your candidate, rather than argue the specific bills
listed, you belittle the poster??? Yes, Faux News could
use a guy like you.:):)

BjornBee
10-10-2008, 08:52 AM
Where is the poll? I see a veteran's group endorses Obama, but it's really just an article written by a contributor to the Huffington Post.

I'm a vet, I talk to vets, and know many still in the service. NOBODY in the military that I talk to is voting for Obama.

This is a rag site. To even suggest that vets are in full support of Obama is a joke.

The stats on the site are selectively chosen. Stats are misleading and can be swayed to look one way or the other. I'm surprised some fall for such propaganda.

MapMan
10-10-2008, 09:09 AM
I'm surprised some fall for such propaganda.

Are you really surprised?;) I'm not surprised at all that many have the wool pulled over their eyes.

Pull the Wool Over His Eyes

Dates back to 1839, meaning "to deceive". "Wool" refers to a powdered wig, such as men used to wear. Pulling down the wool wig would temporarily blind the person wearing it.

http://www.idiomsite.com/pullthewool.htm


MM

Sundance
10-10-2008, 09:19 AM
Everyone, and I mean everyone is selective with
their data. Me, you, everyone......... to suggest
other wise would truly be a joke.

Keith Jarrett
10-10-2008, 09:34 AM
Everyone, and I mean everyone is selective with
their data. Me, you, everyone......... to suggest
other wise would truly be a joke.

No, I don't think so. My thread about health care, I heard what both said to Tom Brokaw, BUT THAT WAS NOT LISTED IN MY POST WAS IT.

It was not because of a long follow up, of why they chose one of the three.I did not get there full answer so I will withhold judgement until then.

Sundance, it's not that I'm trying to belittle anyone, I just want all the info out there so a person can make a informed decision. :)

Bodo
10-10-2008, 09:35 AM
Everyone, and I mean everyone is selective with
their data. Me, you, everyone......... to suggest
other wise would truly be a joke.

I'm sorry Sundance, but you do yourself a disservice starting threads like this. Why would someone as obviously intelligent as you appear to fall for such an obviously biased poll?

I'm sure I could find many 'polls' that show that blacks/liberals/whatever give Obama a 'D'. What does that show? Nothing.

MapMan
10-10-2008, 09:43 AM
...I just want all the info out there so a person can make a informed decision. :)

I agree! Instead of relying on slanted blogs and editorials, Americans need to do some searching.

This little video suggests how to do your own fact-finding:

http://www.youtube.com/TheMouthPeace


MM

BjornBee
10-10-2008, 10:13 AM
Everyone, and I mean everyone is selective with
their data. Me, you, everyone......... to suggest
other wise would truly be a joke.

That's true.

It's hard enough to add all the puzzle together. That's why even giving clout or consideration to a Huffington contributor and a slanted, agenda driven site such as this is beyond a joke. It's comedy slapstick at it's best. Not the site itself grant you....but those that post this stuff, repeat it, take it for truth, etc.

honeyman46408
10-10-2008, 10:20 AM
Well I been sucked in again

"I'm a vet, I talk to vets, and know many still in the service. NOBODY in the military that I talk to is voting for Obama"

You havent talked to the right people, my son spent 20 years in the service and he is voting for Obama ! !

Keith Jarrett
10-10-2008, 10:28 AM
Well I been sucked in again

You havent talked to the right people, Obama ! !

You mean the left. :)

BjornBee
10-10-2008, 10:29 AM
Well I been sucked in again

"I'm a vet, I talk to vets, and know many still in the service. NOBODY in the military that I talk to is voting for Obama"

You havent talked to the right people, my son spent 20 years in the service and he is voting for Obama ! !

Your right I have not spoke to your son. I never said I did. Speaking to your son does not mean I spoke to the right people. It does not mean I spoke to the wrong people. All it says is that I did not speak to your son.

I'm sure there are a few vets out there that I have not spoke too. Please withhold the listing of every vet I do not know on the matter. I spoke for those I know and have had conversations with. An easy concept if you think about it.

If so many vets are voting for Obama....I'm sure they will have no problem this time finding reasons not to count the absentee military vote this year? Hmmmm. Seems the left is known for those tactics time and again.... ;)

Eaglerock
10-10-2008, 10:46 AM
Most Vets I talk to including myself will vote for Obama. Doesn't mean some will not.

BjornBee
10-10-2008, 10:47 AM
Most Vets I talk to including myself will vote for Obama. Doesn't mean some will not.


That's a shocking statement.... ;)

JPK1NH
10-10-2008, 10:57 AM
Enough with the belittling patronization Keith. I get most
my info from CSPAN, and reading. If you don't agree, that's
perfectly fine and acceptable. But to belittle those that
disagree??

Are you sure you're not confusing CSPAN with the Daily Kos?

Sundance
10-10-2008, 11:33 AM
Are you sure you're not confusing CSPAN with the Daily Kos?

I'll bite.......... what's a daily kos????

sqkcrk
10-10-2008, 06:13 PM
Well Sundance, you belittled John McCain with your lop-sided post right from the start.

Just being "fair & balance" here. :)

So instead of bringing us equally impressive statistics you find it easier to critisize a fellow beesource contributor. Do you have any evidence to show evidence contrary to what Sundance has shown us.

No one has belittled Sidney McCain's service in Viet nam.

sqkcrk
10-10-2008, 06:17 PM
Seems the left is known for those tactics time and again.... ;)

So that's what happened in 2000. I always wondered.

sqkcrk
10-10-2008, 06:19 PM
Most Vets I talk to including myself will vote for Obama. Doesn't mean some will not.

My active duty son and daughter in law aren't going to vote. Too bad, imo.

Keith Jarrett
10-10-2008, 06:31 PM
So instead of bringing us equally impressive statistics you find it easier to critisize a fellow beesource contributor. .
.

Critisize... calling a lop-sided story is being that.

McCain was interviewed by one of the weekend shows and was drilled over that topic, that is from the horses mouth "McCain".

sqkcrk
10-10-2008, 06:37 PM
Critisize... calling a lop-sided story is being that.

McCain was interviewed by one of the weekend shows and was drilled over that topic, that is from the horses mouth "McCain".

:) Well there ya go. An unbiased source if there ever was one.:) Who "interviewed" him, Sean Hannity? :)

"drilled"? You mean grilled? Since when has "drilled" become synonimous with interagated? Just curious.

Keith Jarrett
10-10-2008, 06:50 PM
:) Well there ya go. An unbiased source if there ever was one.:) .

unbiased... who said I liked the guy.

I don't like any of the choices.

dragonfly
10-10-2008, 07:11 PM
Barack Obama voted for a bipartisan 2005 amendment that would have provided $500 million dollars per year from 2006 to 2010 for readjustment counseling, related mental health services, and rehabilitation for veterans with mental illness, PTSD, or substance use disorder.

John McCain voted against the amendment.



But guys, THIS is why they favor him. It has nothing whatsoever to do with his service in the armed forces. Veterans giving someone a "D" rating because he doesn't vote for spending bills is no reflection on a person as a veteran. They are not voting for Obama. They are voting for the money he wants to give them. That seems to be about all politics amounts to anymore.

Eaglerock
10-11-2008, 09:29 PM
My active duty son and daughter in law aren't going to vote. Too bad, imo.

I know a few that feel that way. Some have a skin color problem. Some don't feel we have anyone that is worthy to be president. Some say that either one couldn't be as bad as Bush. I really liked Ron Paul (R) but will vote for Obama.

Is your family in the States? Have they got this problem of letting the Military vote yet that are not in the US, I feel they have every right to vote?

tecumseh
10-11-2008, 09:53 PM
bjorn writes:
If so many vets are voting for Obama....I'm sure they will have no problem this time finding reasons not to count the absentee military vote this year? Hmmmm. Seems the left is known for those tactics time and again....

tecumseh:
you are of course NOT referring to the profiled absentee military votes that kathrine harris tossed out in 2000.

or perhaps you are NOT talking in regards to my father's profiled absentee vote in 1940 and again in 1944.

really the trick here bjorn (which I might assume you will never learn) is to profile the votes you wish to toss....

sqkcrk
10-12-2008, 11:41 AM
Some don't feel we have anyone that is worthy to be president. I really liked Ron Paul (R) but will vote for Obama.

Is your family in the States?

Yes, they are in the States.

No one worthy? I don't think that that's the opinion in my son's case. I just think that they think that it doesn't matter who the President is, nothing will change. Especially as pertains to Iraq and Afghanistan.

I think that you should vote for Ron Paul. If those who would like to see a President Ron Paul voted for him at least it would make a statement. And give Paul and other nontraditional party affiliates encouragement for the future. Ya never know.