View Full Version : Another reason I don't like using plastic with bees
Eaglerock
10-01-2008, 01:35 PM
I like natural...WOOD!
http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/health/are-plastics-harming-your-health-4-facts-to-help-you-decide-264296
dragonfly
10-01-2008, 02:19 PM
A couple of years ago, I became interested in the plastic/ health issue, and I don't know enough to give anymore than a less-than-educated opinion. According to the information I could find, the dangers of plastic chemicals was thought to be dependent on the plastic reaching a certain temperature (I think I recall it was in the 700 deg F range) before chemicals could leach into the food or drinks contained in the plastic. That being the case, if it is accurate, I quit worrying much about it, because at my age, the effects are already there, if there are in fact negative effects.
The bees don't seem to like it as a general rule though.
Oldbee
10-01-2008, 02:27 PM
I like to use wood and all wax also but I have read that foundation is [aww crap! can't win] contaminated also--M.Bush.
I use a plastic container that is labled #5 PP that I keep in the freezer with filtered water from the tap; is this safe? I use it over and over for months.
Eaglerock
10-01-2008, 02:37 PM
According to the information I could find, the dangers of plastic chemicals was thought to be dependent on the plastic reaching a certain temperature.......... because at my age, the effects are already there, if there are in fact negative effects.
The bees don't seem to like it as a general rule though.
Well, the thing is, it is made from Chemicals, to which it comes from???? which is a resource we have in need of, so that said, I go back to the fact that they think drinking water or pop (soda) from might not be healthy, why take that chance. I know, everytime man starts in with it's own ways, we mess things up. If the bees have been happy with wood for gazillion years then why mess with it? As they say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
Plus I have heard many say their bees didn't like plastic.
Your age... if you are under 100 worry...over a hundred, give up the ghost woman!
Eaglerock
10-01-2008, 02:39 PM
I use a plastic container that is labled #5 PP that I keep in the freezer with filtered water from the tap; is this safe? I use it over and over for months.
Is it safe.... you tell me.
Plastic is perfectly safe. I'd worry more about getting struck by lightning than dying from bisphenol-A. Educate yourself by reading solid research published in respected, peer-reviewed journals. Not some web article.
The article even states that it's not harmful...much ado about nothing.
Oldbee
10-01-2008, 04:05 PM
"Plastic is perfectly safe".- bodo.
But what kind of plastic?? And all those numbers in that 'triangle' of,..confusion? What does it mean when you use it over again or freeze it, drink it, cook it??
Oh well,. my Grandma told me I would probably eat a ton [or 50 lbs] of 'dirt' before I was 19yo. or so; those were the days in the 40's, 50's,..weren't they?
MapMan
10-01-2008, 04:31 PM
I like natural...WOOD!
http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/health/are-plastics-harming-your-health-4-facts-to-help-you-decide-264296
Glad you are storing all of your honey in oak barrels or glass carboys. And, where do you find the metal caps for your glass jars?
MM
All the numbers signify is what kind of plastic is being used. 6 and 7 are the ones that you'd be concerned about BPA. I think it MAY just be 7...It's been a while.
It's the hard polycarbonate plastic bottles that contain BPA. The Nalgene bottles that the outdoorsy crowd like to carry around.
cow pollinater
10-01-2008, 04:41 PM
When I think about all the crap that I've exposed my body to over the years(half of it on purpose), I can honestly say that plastic is way down there on the list of things that are going to kill me.
dragonfly
10-01-2008, 05:11 PM
When I think about all the crap that I've exposed my body to over the years(half of it on purpose), I can honestly say that plastic is way down there on the list of things that are going to kill me.
:D Great point.:)
Eaglerock
10-01-2008, 05:23 PM
When I think about all the crap that I've exposed my body to over the years(half of it on purpose), I can honestly say that plastic is way down there on the list of things that are going to kill me.
Who is worried about you...:doh: :D I am talking about the Honeybees. :waiting:
But I understand your thoughts on drinking water or soda from plastic.
cow pollinater
10-01-2008, 05:41 PM
I am talking about the Honeybees. :waiting:
So if I jerk out all my plastic foundation then I can proceed with my mite treatments and antibiotics for nosema and foulbrood with wild abandon because my bees are healthier without plasic in their hive?:scratch:
Eaglerock
10-01-2008, 06:26 PM
So if I jerk out all my plastic foundation then I can proceed with my mite treatments and antibiotics for nosema and foulbrood with wild abandon because my bees are healthier without plasic in their hive?:scratch:
I guess that would be up to you....:no: But then, I wouldn't take out my IV's either. Or would I... :shhhh:
I get your point... So what did we do before plastic?
cow pollinater
10-01-2008, 06:34 PM
So what did we do before plastic?
Ever seen what part of a goat they used to use to make a water bottle? Yech!
Eaglerock
10-01-2008, 10:40 PM
Ever seen what part of a goat they used to use to make a water bottle? Yech!
ummmm ummmm ummmmm Do I wanta.... :no:
Eaglerock
10-01-2008, 10:43 PM
Reminds me when my kids were in diapers, now we use disposable plastic diapers. Land waste one day will be full of them... 100 years to break down. :scratch:
dragonfly
10-02-2008, 01:59 PM
Reminds me when my kids were in diapers, now we use disposable plastic diapers. Land waste one day will be full of them... 100 years to break down. :scratch:
Yeah, I was one of those fossilized moms who used cotton diapers;). Fortunately, my kids survived that stone age treatment. I honestly don't think young women nowadays even know that you can still use them, and many have no clue what they are.
Eaglerock
10-02-2008, 02:34 PM
I honestly don't think young women nowadays even know that you can still use them,
Even if they did, they wouldn't. We have become a civilization of convenience... :cry:
MapMan
10-02-2008, 03:06 PM
Yeah, I was one of those fossilized moms who used cotton diapers;). Fortunately, my kids survived that stone age treatment. I honestly don't think young women nowadays even know that you can still use them, and many have no clue what they are.
Yep, we are some of those fossil parents too! Used them for three kids... Youngest is 16, so it wasn't that long ago;). Did have to get used to the pins (ouch), and those stretchy rubber-like shorts over them. I think they padded the kids better when they were learning to walk, too.:thumbsup:
MM
Eaglerock
10-02-2008, 03:11 PM
My three are 26,27,28 soon to be turning... Plastic pants...wow I had forgotten about those.
I used Platex Bottles with the "plastic" bags in them for my three.
Boiling nipples... Do you have to boil the nipples if you breast feed? :scratch:
dragonfly
10-02-2008, 03:35 PM
Yep, we are some of those fossil parents too! Used them for three kids... Youngest is 16, so it wasn't that long ago;).
MM
Now that's impressive. My son is 30, and pampers were in common use when he was a baby.
dragonfly
10-02-2008, 03:37 PM
... Plastic pants...wow I had forgotten about those.
You can't hardly find those anymore. I looked while hoping my DIL would use cloth for the girls. But she didn't anyway, so it didn't matter.
deknow
10-02-2008, 04:02 PM
Reminds me when my kids were in diapers, now we use disposable plastic diapers. Land waste one day will be full of them... 100 years to break down. :scratch:
fwiw, it isn't clear that cloth is any better. they don't end up in landfills like the plastic ones do, but they do take a lot of hot water and detergent to clean them. last time i looked at this issue, it seemed about a wash as to which was "better for the environment".
deknow