A shattering moment in America's fall from power

[Eaglerock]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/28/usforeignpolicy.useconomicgrowth/print

This is how we are now seen around the world :(

[Putz]

In the last ten years I've come to see our government and our country as it really is, not as it was taught to be when I was in school so many years ago. :no: I'M EXTREMELY SCARED is an understatement, and ashamed of our government and media as well.:cry:

[Bizzybee]

The America that once was is no more. It isn't dying, it's dead. The world and our people have changed. Our country is on the verge of change that is inevitable. But it is the change that will come from necessity, not this garbage being spewed out by our short sighted bozo's running for office.

Out of pain and despair rises hope and determination. Out of the ashes true leaders will rise up and character will prevail.

These times are far from over. But we are going to make it through these unavoidable growing pains. Guaranteed!!

[Bodo]

I don't give a flying rat's rumpus about what the 'rest of the world' thinks about me or my country. And neither should you.

[tecumseh]

a couple of short snips from mr grays article...

The fate of empires is very often sealed by the interaction of war and debt.

The frantic scrambling that is going on in Washington marks the passing of only one type of capitalism - the peculiar and highly unstable variety that has existed in America over the last 20 years.

tecumseh writes:
uh huh.

[tecumseh]

bodo writes:
I don't give a flying rat's rumpus about what the 'rest of the world' thinks about me or my country. And neither should you.

tecumseh: carried to the extreme (which is pretty much what we have had in the us of a for the past 30 years) this attitude, this espoused philisophy, is a pretty good description of a sociopathic personality. which is really the worst kind of criminal mind. that is a criminal who looks upon their actions as being socially acceptable and useful. almost all of the world most notorious mass murders typically fall into this niche.

[Bodo]

Deleted:

I broke my own rule and fed the trolls.

[BjornBee]

Bodo,
I don't think you have a sociopath personality, have a criminal mind, or are mass murderer. I think your speaking off the cuff and should be taken for such. I am surprised that time and again, a person speaks their mind, and through third-party attachment ("I never really said that about or directly at Bodo", will be the excuse) another person attacks and belittles, and is how do you say...."trolling" for responses.

I personally think each country, and writers around the world, have agendas, have their own opinions, and find it ironic that this article is suppose to mean something to anyone. I don't listen to Chavez or Castro either. This writer is about equal with what comes from dailykos on a daily basis. Nothing more than what some dems say all the time also. Been that way for years. Things go up, things go down. They just are eager for times we are in now, so they can make money such as this writer does, speaking of the fall of utopian societies (there were never any) and spewing their doom and gloom.

Somebody asked why were so divided and hate filled nowadays in politics. There are many reasons. But some of those same reasons can be seen in articles from writers from abroad. We view the rest of the world as fact, base articles in truth, and somehow think this should be given more consideration than what I see, know, hear, experience, and read in this country. I agree, I could care less of what people abroad say and repeated by by the left to push their agenda and bash the U.S. Same old, same old. Nothing good you will hear. But some kook leftist writer from abroad writes an article, and some are eager with a smile to agree and lavish in the doom and gloom.

The article is filed with personal opinion, anti-America rhetoric, and half truths. I'm surprised some even gave it the time of day. Writers write to sell papers, and write the occasional book. Just like this guy!

Rest of the world....who would that be, that we should bend down and kiss? The French? China? So tell me, who has the answers? What country is a model for what we should become?

I agree with Bodo. If the rest of the world, as in the example of this writer, thinks this of the U.S., I could care less. The U.N. is a joke (an example of countries not even being able to solve problems together). And each country has its own problems, many of which are bigger than ours.

[dragonfly]

I don't give a flying rat's rumpus about what the 'rest of the world' thinks about me or my country.

My thoughts exactly. When you're at the top, everyone hates you anyway.;) Let's be average joes for a change.;)

[Eaglerock]

My thoughts exactly. When you're at the top, everyone hates you anyway.;) Let's be average joes for a change.;)

My middle name :) Joseph... all my family calls me Joe. My fathers name was Ed.

[dragonfly]

My middle name :) Joseph... all my family calls me Joe. My fathers name was Ed.

I'm gonna start calling you AJ for average joe;)

[John F]

In the last ten years I've come to see our government and our country as it really is, not as it was taught to be when I was in school so many years ago. :no: I'M EXTREMELY SCARED is an understatement, and ashamed of our government and media as well.:cry:

Don't be. We learn from our mistakes and thinking we always get it right prevents us from acting when we know we should.

We need to rethink our idea of government.

Government is force.

We let government get involved in economy and then were surprised that those that implement government use it to their economic advantage. This is a mistake.

The government should be used only for implementing justice by the principles we define. Let the market deal with economics.

[Dan Williamson]

The government should be used only for implementing justice by the principles we define. Let the market deal with economics.

Buy why John?.... Don't people need someone to blame other than themselves? ;)

[Eaglerock]

I'm gonna start calling you AJ for average joe;)

I knew a dog they called AJ... oh thanks... :p

[Bodo]

Bodo,
I don't think you have a sociopath personality, have a criminal mind, or are mass murderer.

Thanks, Bjorn. I was getting ready to turn myself in... :(