Tailgater 1

[Barry]

"Those two topics [politics and religion] keep a lot of people out of tailgater"

Let's find out if you're right.

[magnet-man]

Barry, the results might not be accurate because people who are not visiting tailgater are likely not going down to everything else. I think you should put a sticky post in Beekeeping Forum and Beekeeping 101 and a link to this poll. Otherwise I think you would not get a fair representation of the members.

[BULLSEYE BILL]

The poll's a good idea, but, not enough choices.

I will check the one that says, "I would enjoy Tailgator if there was no politics or religion discussed".

Could there be a Trashgator just for P&R that did not pop up on the New Posts list?

[Barry]

I think you should put a sticky post in Beekeeping Forum

Done!!

[Barry]

Could there be a Trashgator just for P&R that did not pop up on the New Posts list?

I'm not aware of a control that would let me do this.

[magnet-man]

Thanks Barry

[magnet-man]

The poll's a good idea, but, not enough choices.

I will check the one that says, "I would enjoy Tailgator if there was no politics or religion discussed".



I agree with Bill on this. This poll should be killed before too many vote and redone with this choice.

[Barry]

:confused:

I'm not sure I understand the need to start over. This poll was started and define based solely upon your comment. If it gets broadened, we'll never know if your comment was true or not. I think the Tailgater 2 poll will give us/me further insight to the membership about Tailgater. I may post yet another poll to fine tune things after these two polls have had some time.

[Romahawk]

I neither read nor post in tailgater. I personaly see no need for such a forum, I'm here for bee information not peoples rambling opinions about the rest of the world. :rolleyes:

[magnet-man]

"Those two topics [politics and religion] keep a lot of people out of tailgater"

Let's find out if you're right.

The poll should really be:

Do the political and religious post in tailgater keep you from visiting the tailgater fourm?

Yes
No


The logic is that if people visit they are more likely to post if they are there. You can't post and share if you don't visit.

[Eaglerock]

I post in Tailgater now, but would rather like it if religion and politics were banned from it.

[sqkcrk]

I neither read nor post in tailgater. I personaly see no need for such a forum, I'm here for bee information not peoples rambling opinions about the rest of the world. :rolleyes:

You have now.

[miele]

I don't get it. If you don't like all the political and religious threads in tailgator, just don't read them! I personally enjoy seeing all the various perspectives of my fellow citizens. The best citizen is the kind that cares, argues for his cause, and takes action.

[Fishdude123]

You ought to also add I don't visit Tailgaters at all regardless. :)

[chief]

I haven’t and don't plan to use tailgater. There is not option on the poll for this therefore I won’t vote. I agree with the folks that don't believe a beekeeping forum should be anything other than just that. I would suggest that if people want to discuss ANYTHING other than valid beekeeping issues they can simply go to another forum. I see the hate and contention that is fostered in the tailgater forum spill over to all the other forums. I am afraid human nature is such that if you disagree on things like religion and politics then you will have a hard time agreeing on beekeeping. I see this happen all the time at work and in the family. Get rid of the tailgater and then you don’t need to make controversial decisions on whether to censor on not censor it.

[iddee]

>>>>I haven’t and don't plan to use tailgater. There is not option on the poll for this therefore I won’t vote.<<<<

This is why we need more choices. I'm thinking many WILL vote, just because they don't use tailgater and still won't use it if it is changed to exclude R&P.


Those shouldn't be voting at all. Leave the voting for the ones that actually fit one of the two categories.

[jgd]

I thought tailgater was started to keep P&R out of the other forums.

[MapMan]

I post in Tailgater now, but would rather like it if religion and politics were banned from it.


You are kidding, right? If you don't like the banter, why are you in the middle of it?:rolleyes: It takes all types...

MM

[Eaglerock]

The best citizen is the kind that cares, argues for his cause, and takes action.

My wife would agree with you... you want her? LOL

[Eaglerock]

You are kidding, right? If you don't like the banter, why are you in the middle of it?:rolleyes: It takes all types...

MM

You are kidding right?
Roll your eyes all you want...I will just roll them back... I will rephrase it for you... Yes I do post in it... and yes I am in the middle of it...why because I have my views too. But I am also understanding of others. So a tailgate 2 would be what, in my view, we need. One that doesn't come up with the other lists of posts and if we choose to click on that, then we are wanting to go there. Yes or no? So to answer your question, NO I am not kidding!

[IndianaHoney]

I never visit tailgater, simply because I have no interest in discussing anything there. I have very strong religious and political beliefs. But I have to wonder, why anyone would discuss such issues on a beekeeping forum? That said, I also have to ask why anyone would remove it. Does it cause problems for some reason? Do these discusions usually end in arguments? If so, remove it, if not, leave it.

[BjornBee]

This poll is tainted and bogus, just by being associated and connected with the other poll. Some are outright lying about claims of never visiting tailgater. So of course this brings into question the answers given here also. A simple search of a couple people claiming to "never read or participate" in tailgater are liars. Sorry if that sound tough. But fibbing and bending the truth does not apply.

A simple search of the profiles (bring up "list of all posts) of a couple people who claimed to never read and/or never participate in tailgater simply proves that they are lying.

So much for the high and mighty claiming "I'm too good for tailgater". It might be the message....but its tainted with lies!

PS....indiana posted right before this. And since this follows...I want to make sure that it be stated that indianahoney is correct in the statements made. Indiana has never participated in tailgater.

[Eaglerock]

[QUOTE=BjornBee;352489]This poll is tainted and bogus, just by being associated and connected with the other poll. Some are outright lying about claims of never visiting tailgater. So of course this brings into question the answers given here also. A simple search of a couple people claiming to "never read or participate" in tailgater are liars. Sorry if that sound tough. But fibbing and bending the truth does not apply.

A simple search of the profiles (bring up "list of all posts) of a couple people who claimed to never read and/or never participate in tailgater simply proves that they are lying.

So much for the high and mighty claiming "I'm too good for tailgater". It might be the message....but its tainted with lies!

[QUOTE]

Who is lying? Post both their postings... in tailgate and the other stating that have never. Is it just one or two? Or is it many that we need to really see. My guess it is one or two. Some people are liars... we can't control that. I.E.- People wanting your vote. lol

>>>>So much for the high and mighty claiming "I'm too good for tailgater". It might be the message....but its tainted with lies!

It's just one or two... big deal...

[tecumseh]

snip...

religion and politics

tecumseh: my prejudice is it is somewhat a measure of a person to not be luke warm about either...

[BjornBee]

[QUOTE=Eaglerock;352490 [QUOTE] Who is lying? Post both their postings... in tailgate and the other stating that have never. Is it just one or two? Or is it many that we need to really see. My guess it is one or two. Some people are liars... we can't control that. I.E.- People wanting your vote. lol /[QUOTE]

You know me by now. I'm not one to point fingers at the individuals.

Barry I'm sure has a way of seeing the internals of those who voted which way, and take that into account of how many of them are not telling the truth. So yes, we can not control that (lying), but its also nice to get a more accurate profile of the results by achnowledging and adjusting for such dishonest folks. And I bet some never thought someone would lie anyways. So it helps to keep the information above board, and clarify the end result.

[Romahawk]

BjornBee said "So yes, we can not control that (lying), but its also nice to get a more accurate profile of the results by achnowledging and adjusting for such dishonest folks"

Golly Mr BjornBee I surely don't want to offend you or anyone else but you sure seem to have an irrational way of viewing things.

You do a search of tailgater ,you see someone who says they don't read or post in that forum had visited it several times prior to saying they don't use it. You then commence to call them a liar which is absurd, how in heck would a person know that he/she did not like the forum if he/she had not visited the forum several time to review the contents. I looked at it several times, saw the trash and trooling posts and decided it was not something I wanted to participate in. I am here as I said for information on bees not the opinions of some illogical thinking people so I can TRUTHFULLY state I do not read or post in Tailgater.

I'm glad Barry put the forum near the bottom of the list where it is easy to avoid. :p

[iddee]

Romahawk, this is what I think Bjorn is referring to.

http://www.beesource.com/forums/search.php?searchid=955806

8 posts in tailgator by Romahawk, but he didn't put them there. I wonder who did??? :confused:

[Romahawk]

Hi Iddee, clicked on your link and got this message, "Message
Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."

No matter, I have already said I tried out the forum several times. If I did not try it how would I know it is one that I have no interest in?

I think this shall be my last response to this subject. I tried using the forum, found that I did not like the subject matter of most of the post or the tone of some of the responses. I'll stick to those with usable information on beekeeping.

I've been surfing the internet since Al Gore invented it and I know when a forum is inhabited by Trolls. ;)

[Bizzybee]

I don't get it. If you don't like all the political and religious threads in tailgator, just don't read them! I personally enjoy seeing all the various perspectives of my fellow citizens. The best citizen is the kind that cares, argues for his cause, and takes action.


While I may tend to agree, doing so in a place and manner where it actually means accomplishing something seems to make more sense. No?

I hardly think that "Beesource" is the appropriate public forum for either and likely draws few if any to the site for it's "thoughtful insight" found in the gater.

I do occasionally pass through the gater and find nothing much other than either politics or religion and while it's fun for a chuckle now and then. It usually grows annoying quickly, much like watching school yard kids bickering and fighting. Coming from what would be adults I'm assuming?

I have found that a lot of beeks are like minded and have similar interests and would like to see more in the way of non-bee related topics. But they usually are pushed off the bottom of the page in short order before many if any responses are made. And usually by the professional tailgaters that appear to watch the topics and post to them all day, everyday.

Another observation is that it seems most of the gater regulars rarely if ever have anything to say in the beek forums? But then heaven knows we don't need those "debating skills" in those forums!! :rolleyes:

I joined Beesource for a reason and it had nothing to do with either of the afore mentioned topics. I don't have any problem with other topics being integrated and enjoyed. I actually don't think I would find it enjoyable to be confined to "only" beekeeping. Having related topics I find both interesting and a means of finding common ground with others, which is always a good thing.

Politics and religion can both be very inflammatory and divisive and often are. And while I strongly feel they both have their place in our lives, I also believe that they have their own time and place. And I don't particularly find that this is the place for it. There are literally millions of places both needs can be filled.

SO, I guess I will be casting a Nea on this ballot.

[iddee]

Sorry the link died. It just shows you posted in 8 threads on tailgater. 2 in 2005, 2 in 2006, 4 in 2008. Most of them NOT political, but a couple were. I would think a fellow could decide what a forum consisted of just by reading it. I don't see the need for posting in it just to decide if he likes it or not. Posting usually means someone wants to participate.

Me troll, never....I only bank fish. :D

[Keith Benson]

Near as I can tell there are three people who say they do not use Tailgater on this thread, 4 if you count Romahawk - but that is not really what he is saying. IF you were to use the search function on those three user names - how many have posted there?

Keith

[BjornBee]

Romahawk...I have no idea what you are talking about. I never posted anything about others lying, never implied it was about you, and honestly don't know where this is coming from. Are you sure you don't have me confused with someone else? I have no idea where you were able make up qoutes like that and attach my user name to comments like that. Something smells fishy about this whole thing.

"I read and posted before I didn't read and post!"

Seems it works for others. Figured I try it also. ;)

Is it working?

[Keith Benson]

Is it working?

Nope.

Keith

[berkshire bee]

Isn't this just a poll? Take the arguments over to tailgater. I'll be over in a minute :)

[Keith Benson]

Isn't this just a poll? Take the arguments over to tailgater. I'll be over in a minute :)

I don't think anyone's arguing - I just can follow BB.

Keith

[MIKI]

Tailgator is the trailer trash of this forum, it is the reason many a good member left and why I do not regurlary visit here anymore. The choices of the poll are too narrow and i really do not care where i post this.

[nursebee]

If many a member has left then I'd like to know who they are. I believe this would be a beg the question arguement. Speaking of that, did anyone read that interesting post on the tailgater about forms of arguements? It was fascinating to me.

Does anyone know of a similar site to beesource that a beek could go to as an alternate to beesource? I know 2 sites without as much help, features, or sharing. They also have too many rules that inhibit sharing.

It might be an oversimplified arguement or understanding of things. Years ago there were a bunch of people so concerned with rules and procedures that they killed the one thought to be the savior of mankind.

Someone mentioned the word trolls to describe folks here. I find some of the discussion on tailgetor interesting but some of the social/political/economic discussions seem to get dominated by a few individuals. When this happens, the sense I get through the wires is that it does not benefit me to participate any longer.

[Barry]

it is the reason many a good member left

Left the forum or left the site? And if the site, how about backing up your claim with user names.

[BjornBee]

Left the forum or left the site? And if the site, how about backing up your claim with user names.

Barry, this is a comment I made awhile ago, after the same type attack comments in regards to beesource. It applied then, and applies now.

>>>>>I do see a couple comments about the nature of the original posts, and the denigrating manner that it seems to suggest that other contributions are less than worthy. That somehow we would be better off not wasting time until MB speaks on the topic. Something that MB himself has rebutted.

I think the real damage in any thread, is those that seem not to understand the nature of an open forum. I have seen the same pattern now several times. (To sit back and make comments about an individual or the forum in general.) It seems to me that alot of personal issues, some mean-spirited bias, and the same M.O. has been seen now several times lately.

The damage to beesource is not from anyone expressing their views. It is from the poster that continues to express how beesource has gone down hill, how its not worthy any longer, that others do nothing but contribute useless ranting, and remind us that a few have left from time to time, like that does not happen on any forum.

If I was Barry, I would be more concerned about the open attitude and continual trashing of beesource, instead of the differing viewpoints. Its a real shame that we have to be reminded of such matters every-time someone has a beef or personal gripe. If I was Barry, I would ask people to be positive towards beesource or move on. But to allow this type comments, that beesource is no longer a great site for whatever reason, is truly the most damaging of all.>>>>>

They are taken from this thread.

http://www.beesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215656&highlight=left&page=3

If you read #26, and #29, you will see this is a pattern, that has been repeated.

[MIKI]

Bjorne never passes up a chance to take a shot at me as we already know there is something about me that rubs him the wrong way. Some day Barry I will do the leg work and provide those user names I just have to ask on a couple of different forums/lists and wait. The total truth of the matter is that there are members that thrive on conflict (Bjorne for one) that need the TG forum as a personal playground. Another fact is the two main things that drive men apart are religion and politics [edit by mod] they are responsible for most wars. The last fact is that hosting the TG forum is the difference between being a perfectly healthy bee forum or one with a spot of cancer that surgery could fix.

Contrary to the lies Bjorne would have everyone believe NO ONE I know of is trashing the forum as a whole just the trailer trash section of cancer that needs to be excised.

There are enough forums on politics and religion and any other subject you want to argue about that would love to have more members. The forum would be much more professional if it just stuck to bees.

[iddee]

All visitors are appreciated. Some when they come, others when they go.

We all should think about which one we are.

[BjornBee]

Bjorne never passes up a chance to take a shot at me as we already know there is something about me that rubs him the wrong way. Some day Barry I will do the leg work and provide those user names I just have to ask on a couple of different forums/lists and wait. The total truth of the matter is that there are members that thrive on conflict (Bjorne for one) that need the TG forum as a personal playground. Another fact is the two main things that drive men apart are religion and politics hell they are responsible for most wars. The last fact is that hosting the TG forum is the difference between being a perfectly healthy bee forum or one with a spot of cancer that surgery could fix.

Contrary to the lies Bjorne would have everyone believe NO ONE I know of is trashing the forum as a whole just the trailer trash section of cancer that needs to be excised.

There are enough forums on politics and religion and any other subject you want to argue about that would love to have more members. The forum would be much more professional if it just stuck to bees.


Personal attacks...where? I stated fact, backed up by proof.

Lies...care to comment where? Or will you pass on these comments also, like the one's you are side stepping from Barry also?

Whether people use tailgater or not, thats their choice. What I did was make a point about those that slide in every so often, degrade beesource, with the same repeated garbage, and suggest they would be better off elsewhere. Sorry if that rubs you wrong MIKI. I stated facts, and then while your complaining because the shoe fits, you add your own attack line on me.

Have a nice day MIKI. See ya around... ;)

[magnet-man]

So is there a problem splitting tailgater? That would give the 40% of users not using tailgater because of the R&P someplace to go and Bjornbee and others will still have their playground. What do you say Bjornbee and Miki? Can you live with this compromise?

[Keith Benson]

as we already know

Whoa there sonny - you got a mouse in yer pocket? Careful with the "we" business. "We" know no such thing.

There are enough forums on politics and religion and any other subject you want to argue about that would love to have more members. The forum would be much more professional if it just stuck to bees.Here is the deal. Unlike a listserv where things get delivered into your personal mailbox, this BB is such that you have to actually request the information you receive. You will have to summon it from the server to actually be offended by it. So I for one cannot possibly imagine whay people cannot simply not look at posts from tailgater. Or even visit the thing but only open those posts that interest you. I would guess that 99% of the posts are aeasily identified by their title in terms of their religious or political content.

Does anyone here actually read every single post? If there are some that are on topic that you skip, why can't you skip the off topic ones?

I think the idea that there are political boards out there misses one very important fact. Regardless of our political or religious affiliations or lack thereof - we all share an interest - bees. Ever think that perhaps some beekeepers want to discuss these things with other beekeepers just like folks that gather in other venues for other reasons often discuss similar issues? In many senses I think people see eachother here as their peers and friends and that is whom they wish to discuss these issues with, as well as how to rear queens, the best way to super, kill AHB, make a frame jig and such.

I think the fact that there are non-bee discussions speaks to the idea that this is not just a BB, but a community.

Keith

[BjornBee]

So is there a problem splitting tailgater? That would give the 30% of users not using tailgater because of the R&P someplace to go and Bjornbee and others will still have their playground. What do you say Bjornbee and Miki? Can you live with this compromise?

MM, perhaps you should read my new thread that show a few details that debunk the whining (not talking about you ;) ).... ;)

[magnet-man]

Bjornbee, I am not sure what post you are refering to. Can you give me a link?

[BjornBee]

Bjornbee, I am not sure what post you are refering to. Can you give me a link?

http://www.beesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222449

[magnet-man]

I am sorry, but I don't understand if this answers my question.

[BjornBee]

I am sorry, but I don't understand if this answers my question.


My point is...that there would be no questions at all to answer if but for a few making a big deal about this. The facts do not support comments of overbearing, bullies, or anything else to suggest that a few are keeping the masses out of tailgater. And thats whether its the tone or anything else such as "poster domination". I personally post on less than 10% of the posts, and until recent with the Obama and Palin debate, have posted on average in only 7% of all tailgater threads longterm. And I bet that is the same for most.

It was suggested that a few, dominate tailgater. And I don't see this by simply looking at the facts.

This discussion (not intended for MM) is a bunch of overhyped crying. And unrealistic requests from Barry by supposed intelligent members who can not even seem to scan the recent posts or new posts, and decide if one thread is worth skipping over.

[NeilV]

Keith sums it up for me: "In many senses I think people see eachother here as their peers and friends and that is whom they wish to discuss these issues with, as well as how to rear queens, the best way to super, kill AHB, make a frame jig and such. . . . this is not just a BB, but a community."

[MIKI]

Bjorne,

The lie you are telling is that people (Me) are trashing Beesource as a whole. This is not true I am trashing the tailgater forum as that is what it is trash! You tend to add bits to what people say, just your small way of putting gas on a fire you are very good at it because you thrive on this stuff.

Keith Benson,

You must not have been here long enough to have seen the history between me and Bjorne.

When i logged on to check out this thread i had to answer Pm's first which support what I wrote about Bjorne above so i am not the only one who sees this is just a playground for conflict for him. Anyway its mind over matter I do not mind because he don't matter to me!

Barry
I am not side stepping anything this will require some research as it goes way back to when i joined this board at around 1500 members and DR. R, Daisy and FBM were here.

I still believe the tailgater forum is dragging beesource and keeping it from perfection.

My reason is that often the trouble caused spills over to other forums which is detrimental to the good order and productivity of the BB as a whole!!

[BjornBee]

MIKI,
So your going back over 5 years to 2003, and going to list every person that left for whatever reason?

Dr R., I think left for reasons different than tailgater. (Which is the issue at hand) I never knew Dr. R to hang out on tailgater.

Daisy may have left, but not for side-stepping issues, as she battled and mixed it up the best she could, and probably enjoyed it. I think she left for other reasons. ;)

I think it's common for members to leave one board or another, every so often for many different reasons. And I think that many can grasp the concept of tailgater and if they choose to stay out of that forum, they can certainly do that.

What I find interesting is your continued negative comments towards beesource, repeating over and over again, how you think beesource is something less than, how did you just say... "keeping it from perfection", and your constant stance that a few left due to Barry not doing an unrealistic job you demand from him. Of all the people who "left", you are the only one that peeks in from time to time, and are sure to get involved with any trashing of beesource, thats for sure!


I made the following comments (link posted on page 4 of this thread) based on statements you made in Jan 2008. It was not the first or the last. But I posted this to show my response to your constant bashing of beesource. If that makes me a liar, than so be it.

>>>>If I was Barry, I would be more concerned about the open attitude and continual trashing of beesource, instead of the differing viewpoints. Its a real shame that we have to be reminded of such matters every-time someone has a beef or personal gripe. If I was Barry, I would ask people to be positive towards beesource or move on. But to allow this type comments, that beesource is no longer a great site for whatever reason, is truly the most damaging of all.<<<<

[MIKI]

First No I am not going to go through the member list person by person as you said "You think" I do not have the time for that I will just ask for comments on other places i know the topic has arisen on. Again you inflate the fire with little additions of your own fiction No one said anything about Barry or the job he does moderating this site and yes I peak in once in a while and will continue to do so. I tried once again to be civil with you and ask your opinion and again you have started a fire. You have made my opinion of the trash forum your personal battle but then again conflict is what you thrive on you need it to reassure yourself that you are in some way important or productive in actuallity YOU have been counter productive when you take the post personal. I stated an OPINION and you turned it into a stupid conflict as a matter of fact last time you choose to attack one of my opinions I think I asked you leave me out of your comments and I would do the same for you. Well Bjorne I am tired of being a toy on your inferiorty complex playground hence forth I will hold to the orginal agreement. Holding on to that much anger will someday put you in an early grave. I will keep you in my prayers and hope you get well soon, but for now Bjorne once again this is boring so I am done with you.
God bless and Good luck

Barry

I know you are intelligent enough to see that the comment about the trash forum holding back Beesource as opinion and not in anyway meant to "Trash' beesource as a whole. if the comment were not true we would not have this issue over and over again.

[BjornBee]

"anger".....are you kidding? I'm having a blast. But I also have a great attitude, think beesource is great, think taligater is great, think the U.S.A is great (and I don't even need to ask others to remind me of that!)

Anyways....no anger here. Just good times, good learning, great debate, and what a great day it is today! Gotta work some bees. I'll check back later. ;)

[Barry]

I am not side stepping anything this will require some research as it goes way back to when i joined this board at around 1500 members and DR. R, Daisy and FBM were here.

Miki -

As to these three members, Dr. R left the board for a period of time due to issues within his FGMO forum. He has since been back. Daisy was banned for inappropriate posting. I don't know who FBM is. I'm still interested in knowing if you know of members who actually left the beesource forums (on their own) due to the way Tailgater is.

[nursebee]

Lots of people use tailgator. If I did not like it or thought poorly of it I certainly would not call it trash, perhaps I would just leave it alone or say I did not like it. Otherwise i could be hurtful.

There are more tactful ways to do things

[sqkcrk]

Regardless of our political or religious affiliations or lack thereof - we all share an interest - bees. Ever think that perhaps some beekeepers want to discuss these things with other beekeepers just like folks that gather in other venues for other reasons often discuss similar issues? In many senses I think people see eachother here as their peers and friends and that is whom they wish to discuss these issues with, as well as how to rear queens, the best way to super, kill AHB, make a frame jig and such.

I think the fact that there are non-bee discussions speaks to the idea that this is not just a BB, but a community.

Keith

I like the way you put this Keith. I have a core group of beekeeping friends who I get together w/ every now and then, over Chinese food usually. We often spend an hour of two in each others company. And when the "what's going on w/ your bees" or "the crop and the price of honey" conversations run their course we get into the current events, politics and sometimes religion. And afterwards we are still friends who depend on each other for more than beekeeping related situations. We've helped each other in many times of need from a child w/ brain cancer to personal injury to weddings and funerals, meetings and dinners. We are a community. Me and my close friends and me and my cyber friends. We are all connected in numerous ways. This sort of conversation is something I value and if Tailgater is deleted from Beesource alot of its' heart and passion will go out of it for me.

Maybe Barry could install a tag line to Tailgater. Something like, "Enter at your own risk." or "Beware all who enter here." But I don't think that it is necassary.

Peace

[iddee]

As I was making my last round to say goodbye to many friends before leaving Germany in 1970, I was telling one establishment owner how much I had enjoyed him and his place of business, he floored me with this statement.....

"Some people are just naturally easy to be friendly to."

Miki, I feel you should look at this statement in reverse and see if it applies to you. I leave many threads on tailgater, but never leave the site. I think any normal adult should be able to do the same, or even leave tailgater totally without leaving beesource. If not, the site may be better off without those individuals anyway.

[BULLSEYE BILL]

Miki -

I don't know who FBM is.

Fat Bee Man

[Barry]

Oh, Fat beeman. He was last on Beesource Sept. 13, 2008 and his last post was Aug. 29, 2008.

http://beesource.com/forums/showthread.php?p=348149#post348149

[Keith Benson]

Keith Benson,

Call me Keith The full name stuff is so formal and stuffy.

You must not have been here long enough to have seen the history between me and Bjorne.

Take a peak at the dates below our screen names and then re-think what you just wrote. Also - IIRC my "timer" was reset and I joined before then.


When i logged on to check out this thread i had to answer Pm's first which support what I wrote about Bjorne above so i am not the only one who sees this is just a playground for conflict for him.

Ohhhhhh, I didn't know you ahd those PMS, why didn't you say so earlier. I guess that show me just how wrong I am. :rolleyes:

Anyway its mind over matter I do not mind because he don't matter to me!

Methinks this thread is evidence to the contrary.

I still believe the tailgater forum is dragging beesource and keeping it from perfection.

Lemmie get this strait - if we eliminate tailgater this becoms a virtual beekeeping shangri-la? Perchance you might visit the archives of the FGMO forum and have your "logic" re-adjusted so as to be more in tune with the facts.

My reason is that often the trouble caused spills over to other forums which is detrimental to the good order and productivity of the BB as a whole!!

It might be counter intuitive to you - but I think that eliminating Tailgater will only make the spill over worse. In fact, I think it has been tried before. How about we all just be big kids and learn to ignore things we don't like.

Keith

[Sundance]

Not sure what the big deal is........ If you don't want
to read political and religious ramblings you just don't.

It's like you're saying there are folks that once they
step into tailgator they are uncontrollably drawn into
political and religious discussions against their will.

I pop in and out of the P/R discussions, get frustrated
with screaming into the wind, and go away for a month
or two P/R vacation.

It's simple, don't get involved in P/R if it's not your bag.

[Gregory and Susan Fariss]

Perchance you might visit the archives of the FGMO forum...

Keith

What is this FGMO forum of which you speak??? :scratch:

Susan

[Sundance]

What is this FGMO forum of which you speak??? :scratch:

Susan

There used to be a section that dealt with the used of food
grade mineral oil. Both as fogged and saturated cords.

Thymol was mixed with the oil and fogged via a Burgess style
propane fogger.

It got contentious at times......... Dr Rodriquez (sorry if I
butchered your name Dr R) left the forum due to this.