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fatscher
08-11-2008, 02:02 PM
I discovered a queenless hive this weekend. It's a bait hive on a screen cone trap-out. It's been queenless for no more than 3-4 weeks because the last time I saw a queen in there was 3-4 weeks ago. When I inspected the hive this Saturday I saw no signs of laying workers.

So I closed up the hive and fed it (no other hives present) some sugar syrup via a hive top feeder.

Since the hive was queenless I decided to intro a marked queen from a nuc I had in reserve at another apiary. I put her in a plastic queen cage & stuffed two small candy marshmellows into the cage entrance. Then I drove back to the trap-out bait hive & put the cage in the middle of the bottom board of this queenless hive. I didn't put the cage between two frames.

After about a 15 minute period, I noticed the bees had stirred up into a feeding frenzy. I noticed a few were fighting with each other.

Despite all this I decided to leave the queen cage in, hoping she would help calm down the frenzy.

The homeowner for the trap-out e-mailed me this morning reporting the empty queen cage was found on the ground in front of the hive. She said there were about 30-50 dead bees littering the ground. She said late yesterday, she saw the queen cage just peeking out from the bottom board entrance.

It is clear to me the hive underwent a robbing situation with itself, which is very odd. Granted, this is a cone-trapout. The vast majority of the bees had seemed to adopt the bait hive, there was a cluster of maybe 50-100 bees still residual near the screen cone.

I feel the outlook for my queen, a $25 SMR Italian hybrid, is grim. I can't imagine they accepted her in just 36-48 hours.

Sometimes the bees are pretty easy to predict, and other times (like this) they are not. But, I chalk a lot of this up to my inexperience. In hindsight, I would've taken that queen cage the heck outta there. This learning thing is costing me money!

IndianaHoney
08-11-2008, 03:07 PM
In a situation like this I would have capped the queen cage so they can't release her without my intervention, and place her between the frames so they could drag it out. Queen cages are fairly light, so three or four bees can move it. If you had capped it, you could go back in four days and see if they had accepted her.

PerryBee
08-11-2008, 03:39 PM
Thank you for posting. It's always easy to post success stories but we ALL learn from our trials, errors, and what the bees decide. I know I just learned something.

fatscher
08-11-2008, 07:02 PM
Thank you for posting. It's always easy to post success stories but we ALL learn from our trials, errors, and what the bees decide. I know I just learned something.


I'm not sure what I learned out of this whole thing. Today's been a rough day on many fronts, and this is (bad) icing on the cake. I'm gonna let things rest for the night, and go inspect the situation tomorrow.

tecumseh
08-12-2008, 05:18 AM
with queenless bees a lot of time simply adding a feed can will encourge robbing.

what kind of feeder did you use and was this trap out in a shady place or was it in full sunlight?

Michael Palmer
08-12-2008, 05:55 AM
Since the hive was queenless I decided to intro a marked queen from a nuc I had in reserve at another apiary. I put her in a plastic queen cage & stuffed two small candy marshmellows into the cage entrance. Then I drove back to the trap-out bait hive & put the cage in the middle of the bottom board of this queenless hive. I didn't put the cage between two frames.

Couldn't you have put the whole nuc in the bait hive?

fatscher
08-12-2008, 08:49 AM
Couldn't you have put the whole nuc in the bait hive?

Probably... but the mechanics of doing so appeared impossible. I had just transformed the bait hive from two deep nuc boxes stacked on top, into one 10-frame deep. I could have combined the 3rd nuc box (which had the queen inside) to be a 3rd deep nuc box stacked on top (combine using the newspaper method), but 3 stacked deep nuc boxes, perched on a ladder (sorry I don't have pictures of my trap-out situation, but picture a bait hive--2 nuc boxes on top of the other-- inches away from a screen cone, about 10 feet up on a brick column). A 3rd box stacked seemed unstable.

If I put a nuc box on top of a 10-frame deep, I don't have the equipment to combine those set-ups.