McCain’s Latest Lie: Obama is the ‘Big Oil’ Candidate

[pcelar]

There’s a qualitative and quantitative difference between some low-level Chevron employee chipping in to the Obama campaign, and the kind of bundling we’ve seen from oil executives working on McCain’s behalf. There’s money from the oil industry and then there’s money from the oil industry.

Let’s not miss the forest for the trees — the problem isn’t just that McCain is taking Big Oil’s cash, it’s that he’s pushing Big Oil’s agenda. That’s a much bigger deal.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/09/mccains-latest-lie-obama-is-the-big-oil-candidate/

[NeilV]

I live in Oklahoama, where W still has an approval rating over 60%, so Obama has written off this state and McCain takes it for granted (everybody's being reasonable). Nobody is running ads on the presidential race in this state. In the local press, its like there's no election at all. What are you talking about? I don't get it.

ndvan

[Eaglerock]

Yes he has recieved more contributions from employees of Exxon Mobil than McCain. But they are employees for the love of God. >But it’s also true, however, that McCain has received more than three times overall ($1.3 million) from the industry than Obama has.
Corporations are who I care about... making sure they keep that oil price. Making sure they can continue to rape the american people, and make those HUGE profits.

[Eaglerock]

I live in Oklahoama,

ndvan

Oklahoma.. I do believe it is spelled....

[Bodo]

and make those HUGE profits.

Because 8% on the dollar is too much right? Take a look at how much your local govt and the federal govt makes, then look at who the crooks are.

[Eaglerock]

McCain is trying to say that Obama wants to raise our taxes, truth is, the rich is who's taxes will be raised, and they don't like that. That would include McCain and his Rich wife too...

[Eaglerock]

We should fool them both and write in Al Gore...lol

[JPK1NH]

McCain is trying to say that Obama wants to raise our taxes, truth is, the rich is who's taxes will be raised, and they don't like that. That would include McCain and his Rich wife too...

Do you really think that the only people who are going to end up paying more are the so called "Rich" under Obamunism?

Get real....the guy sponsored 1.3 TRILLION in New and Recurring Spending this year alone!!!!!

Where do you expect all of the funding for all of the OTHER programs and entitlements he has proposed as a Candidate for POTUS?

Everyone is going to end up paying a lot more in taxes under Obamunism.

[Rivethead]

I'm new and this is my first post (which I hate to use for this).

What does the war in Iraq and the trash McCain and Obama are throwing at each other have to do with beekeeping?

Anyway - greetings to you all - from a hope to be backyard beekeeper.

[Eaglerock]

I'm new and this is my first post
What does the war in Iraq and the trash McCain and Obama are throwing at each other have to do with beekeeping?

They want to tax our ladies and we want them to tax Toad Keepers, because they have been eating Joseph's Bees... j/k

[Eaglerock]

Do you really think that the only people who are going to end up paying more are the so called "Rich" under Obamunism?

Get real....the guy sponsored 1.3 TRILLION in New and Recurring Spending this year alone!!!!!

Where do you expect all of the funding for all of the OTHER programs and entitlements he has proposed as a Candidate for POTUS?

Everyone is going to end up paying a lot more in taxes under Obamunism.

Doesn't matter...they have put us in such a poor state that we owe so much money, to China, and others, for this war and lets not even talk about the gas prices and health care and other crapola... We will all have to step up to the plate if we want our childen's children and so on, to have any life at all. I will pay my fair share to make a better America for my grandkids. Others gave their lives, the least we can do is give a little something too... If we fail our country, then they gave their lives for only GWB.

[JPK1NH]

Doesn't matter...they have put us in such a poor state that we owe so much money, to China, and others, for this war and lets not even talk about the gas prices and health care and other crapola... We will all have to step up to the plate if we want our childen's children and so on, to have any life at all. I will pay my fair share to make a better America for my grandkids. Others gave their lives, the least we can do is give a little something too... If we fail our country, then they gave their lives for only GWB.

So, nothing you mentioned addressed our deficit....it only addresses a desire to pay for increased spending and redistribution of wealth....ie Marxism/Socialism.

If you're so concerned about your kids and grandkids them work harder and take care of them yourself instead of putting your belief in more government which has proven to be totally incapable of managing much of anything efficiently.

We have the best quality healthcare in the world....Obamunism and Socialized Medicine is going to do nothing more that put the power of healthcare in the hands of Bureaucrats instead of the Individual.....

[George Fergusson]

Doesn't matter...they have put us in such a poor state that we owe so much money, to China, and others, for this war and lets not even talk about the gas prices and health care and other crapola... We will all have to step up to the plate if we want our childen's children and so on, to have any life at all. I will pay my fair share to make a better America for my grandkids. Others gave their lives, the least we can do is give a little something too... If we fail our country, then they gave their lives for only GWB.

Give it up Eaglerock, JPK1NH apparently has a vested interest in maintaining the status quo i.e., he's figured out how to personally benefit from the crime going on all around us- he's chosen sides, he's bought. There are many like him- they don't want what's best for the country, they want only what they see is best for them and they disguise their complicity in the crimes they're party to by shouting false platitudes about patriotism, capitalism, and the benefits of a free market. True patriots don't put their interests first above those of their country and their neighbors, true capitalists don't steal, and we do not have a free market.

The bad news is that neither Obama nor McCain is going to put this country back on the right track- they're part of the problem and for all of Obama's talk about change, it's really just more of the same. They, like JPK1NH and many like him have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo and they will lie, cheat, and steal to do so. They know which side of their bread the butter is on. McCain's heart is more or less in the right place, if he only had a brain he might be able to do something but he doesn't and like every other 2-bit politician in this country, he's been bought and sold by special interests i.e., the organized criminal elements that own the United States. McCain and Obama are just opposite sides of the same counterfeit coin. Vote for either at your peril.

The solution is not a matter of paying "our fair share" to make a "better America" for our grandkids. That is what our politicians would have us believe- that if we'd just selflessly give more of ourselves that they will be able to spend their way out of this mess. Nothing could be further from the truth! In fact, the government is already confiscating from our income more money than we can reasonably be expected to give, both directly through income taxes and indirectly through the "hidden tax", inflation. And yet still they spend. They want more. They've already spent our children's children's money. Their appetite for money is insatiable.

So the solution is not giving more, the solution is taking: taking back our country from the thieves and crooks that have compromised the Constitution, stolen our government, taken over our financial system, and debased our money. The solution is taking back the rights and freedoms afforded us by the founding fathers of this country. We don't have to give our lives to accomplish these aims either, nobody needs to die in a foreign war to preserve America's security- that's the biggest hoax foisted upon us by our misguided and self-serving leaders. We have to restore freedom, liberty, and opportunity for all.

Kill the Fed.

[mike haney]

WOW george- clear,concise and to the point. way to go!

[mac]

Right, so to be honest I don’t really get the fed thing. I thought it was invented to stabilize the money thing. My grandfather was in WW1, my father was in WW2, and they both lived through the depression when we were still on the gold standard. After the stock market crash and the banks tanked I thought the fed was invented so that would never happen again. I’ve been working since I was 14,and to tell ya the truth I do not work nearly as hard as my grandfather or father did yet I have more creature comforts than they had. So what’s my point?? Right, so if we kill the fed how will we as a country be better off? Will my neighbors be able to afford health care, send their kids to collage, be able to retire with dignity, and be better off than their parents? Was the country, or better yet were people better off before the fed or are we better off now because of the fed and will the next 7 generations be better of because of the fed??? Right, so I guess that’s my point or question.

[JPK1NH]

They, like JPK1NH and many like him have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo and they will lie, cheat, and steal to do so.

ROFLMAO
What makes you so uniquely qualified and all knowing for you you to make a comment such as that from podunk Whitefield Maine....spin spin spin George....when you can't really offer a good rebuttal about someone that has repeatedly called you out for being a hypocrit you just continue to make slanderous statements about people....did you know George that the tactic you're employing is one that is outlined clearly by Karl Marx and the Communist Manifesto?

They know which side of their bread the butter is on. McCain's heart is more or less in the right place, if he only had a brain he might be able to do something but he doesn't and like every other 2-bit politician in this country, he's been bought and sold by special interests i.e., the organized criminal elements that own the United States. McCain and Obama are just opposite sides of the same counterfeit coin. Vote for either at your peril.

McCain and Obama are opposite sides of the same coin? Thats Rich!
Their Voting Records (ie actions) speak louder than words on this one.....while you sit in you Moderator Bully Pulpit and spew rhetoric with nothing to back it up.

I for one am a believer that people are largely a sum of their actions...talk is cheap!

Here are their voting records....take a look for yourselves and make an educated decision as a voter.....you'll find that Obama and McCain share very little when it comes down to their vote in Congress on Legislation that effects all of us.

Obama:
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/votes/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/votes/page2/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/votes/page3/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/votes/page4/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/votes/page5/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/votes/page6/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/votes/page7/
.....you can go back further on your own.

McCain:
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/votes/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/votes/page2/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/votes/page3/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/votes/page4/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/votes/page5/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/votes/page6/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/votes/page7/

Also do a search on thomas.gov and look at the bills each has sponsored.

Based upon Actions alone Obama clearly comes down on the side of Socialism/Marxism where MORE Gov is always the solution.

McCain has some issues I don't agree with him on but largely he's pro Free enterprise/Free Market and Pro Liberty/Freedom.

The solution is not a matter of paying "our fair share" to make a "better America" for our grandkids. That is what our LEFTIST MARXISTpoliticians would have us believe- that if we'd just selflessly give more of ourselves that they will be able to spend their way out of this mess. Nothing could be further from the truth! In fact, the government is already confiscating from our income more money than we can reasonably be expected to give, both directly through income taxes and indirectly through the "hidden tax", inflation. And yet still they spend. They want more. They've already spent our children's children's money. Their appetite for money is insatiable.

I agree with you on the above.

So the solution is not giving more, the solution is taking: taking back our country from the thieves and crooks that have compromised the Constitution, stolen our government, taken over our financial system, and debased our money. The solution is taking back the rights and freedoms afforded us by the founding fathers of this country. We have to restore freedom, liberty,.


I would also have to agree with you on the above as well.

We don't have to give our lives to accomplish these aims either, nobody needs to die in a foreign war to preserve America's security- that's the biggest hoax foisted upon us by our misguided and self-serving leaders.

I largely disagree with you on this one.

Had Slick Willy Klinton done his job and eliminated Bin Laden and not ignored 2 terms of attacks there is a good chance that 9/11 never would have happened....but he was asleep at the wheel and we are all paying the price for his negligence now.

Afghanistan imho was totally justified and necessary post 9/11
Iraq much less so.....or there was no immediate need imo.....Had Hussein ramped up his Nuke ambitions then I think it would have added justification.....he was a bad guy but I don't believe that that alone is sufficient justification.....there is a lot of evidence that supports the fact that he not only had WMD's but the manufacturing capabilities and had used them repeatedly on the Kurds and others.....so I am not entirely unconvinced that it was not justified.

and opportunity for all

Government has no business in "Guaranteeing" anything beyond Liberty, Freedom and the few limited powers granted them in the Constitution and BOR.....and that ain't in there "G"......

Maybe you're confusing "Opportunity" with the "Liberty and Justice for All" line from the Pledge of Allegiance.

Opportunity is what you make of it...people that take risks, people that choose to make sacrifices, people that choose to work 80 plus hour weeks for years on end....these are the people that deserve the fruits of their labors.....

There are no guarantees in life and nor should there be....risk and consequences and integral and necessary to maintain balance.....look no further than the S&L Crisis and the Mortgage Dukey we're seeing now.....we are rewarding people for making poor decisions in their lives....and the people that are doing the rewarding (gov bailout) are soaking those of us that are actually responsible in our lives and with our money.

The problem we currently have wrt the election is a choice between McCain who is pretty much middle of the road/center right based on voting record and Obama who votes to the left of Bernie Sanders who is an avowed Socialist.

Your choices in this election are very limited unfortunately......a vote for Obama is a vote for Socialism and at least 4 years of Gov where the extreme Left Socialists (Pelosi, Reid, Obama) have total unchecked control over both the Executive and Legislative Branches and WILL ram through an unprecedented amount of unchecked recurring spending ever seen and soak ALL taxpayers for a much larger portion of their wages.

On the other hand you can elect McCain who is far from optimal but will serve as a check on Congress to keep them in line.

George, if you want a solution to the problem then advocate/demand the following things of your reps:

1. Demand that Congress pass a term limits bill for all members of Congress.....same as Pres....2 terms and you're out....period....end of discussion.

2. Demand a limit of $2000 on all contributions by an individual/business in a 1 year period. This will largely eliminate the K Street corruption and PAC Influence on our politicians virtually overnight.

3. Demand that Congress limit its session to 90 days out of the year. None of this 10 months of the year nonsense so they can futz around and get their fingers into things they have no business in. Get in, Get out and deal with the important issues instead of spending weeks on end voting on renaming buildings etc etc.

4.Eliminate the lucrative pay and retirement packages that members are provided. Provide a wage that is the equivalent to the middle 50 percentile of all American, tax the crap out of them like we are, offer them a benefits package commesurate with the salary and a 401k based upon the profitability of the Gov't (ie balanced budget)....enough of these 150k/year salaries and pensions for life for abusing their positions.


The Career Politicians are the problem.....eliminate the ability and incentive for these people to be lifers and the problem will solve itself.

[Eaglerock]

So, nothing you mentioned addressed our deficit....it only addresses a desire to pay for increased spending and redistribution of wealth....ie Marxism/Socialism.

If you're so concerned about your kids and grandkids them work harder and take care of them yourself instead of putting your belief in more government which has proven to be totally incapable of managing much of anything efficiently.

....

>If you're so concerned about your kids and grandkids them work harder...<

grandkids them work harder? I never said there was anything wrong with working hard sir...

>take care of them yourself instead of putting your belief in more government which has proven to be totally incapable of managing much of anything efficiently.<

That is my point... thank you... tired of them being able to do as they wish...taping phones, reading emails, etc. They have to much leadway, and we are losing control of the Government. It is getting to be not "for the people..", but rather for the power. Each time we give a little more control to them... you will never see a president give that power back... right now if GWB declares war on Iran or anyone, he could stop the election and remain president... now we have the Russia thing...

[JPK1NH]

grandkids them work harder? I never said there was anything wrong with working hard sir...


That is my point... thank you... tired of them being able to do as they wish...taping phones, reading emails, etc. They have to much leadway, and we are losing control of the Government. It is getting to be not "for the people..", but rather for the power. Each time we give a little more control to them... you will never see a president give that power back... right now if GWB declares war on Iran or anyone, he could stop the election and remain president... now we have the Russia thing...

Ok, so if you believe in less government then how can you rationalize that with a vote for Obama who based upon voting record will support an unprecedented expansion of government and control over health care and your access to it...not to mention personal choices....Medical is just one facet of the Obama expansion of Governments role....

Socialism will only result in giving Government MORE Power and Control and leave you with fewer choices in your personal life.

[pcelar]

The bad news is that neither Obama nor McCain is going to put this country back on the right track- they're part of the problem and for all of Obama's talk about change, it's really just more of the same.
George I agree with this assessment. I wish we had strong third party so that we can elect different people and throw these rascals under the bus. I am not democrat but i do feel that Obama is lesser of the two evils.

[George Fergusson]

Right, so to be honest I don’t really get the fed thing. I thought it was invented to stabilize the money thing. My grandfather was in WW1, my father was in WW2, and they both lived through the depression when we were still on the gold standard. After the stock market crash and the banks tanked I thought the fed was invented so that would never happen again.

The Fed was created in 1913 with the passage by Congress of the Federal Reserve Act, a piece of legislation creating a Central Banking System in the United States fully 17 years before the so-called Great Depression. The policies of the relatively newly created Federal Reserve clearly contributed to the stock market crash in 1929 and the ensuing recession. Furthermore, the Fed's efforts to correct the mess they made are generally attributed with turning what should have been a relatively short recession into a 10 year depression that we didn't climb out of until World War II.

Welcome to Central Banking.

The Fed doesn't create financial stability, it's very actions cause the financial instability, the boom/bust cycles, that have plagued this country- and every country in the world in fact, that has a Central Banking System.

So why would Congress create a Central Banking System if they're so bad? The answer is simple: Greed. Greed on the part of the bankers who through fractional reserve banking confiscate the wealth of working people without them even knowing it. Greed on the part of politicians who get access to as much money as they want without any need to worry about where it's coming from, or how it will be paid back. A blank check. How could Congress resist?

I’ve been working since I was 14,and to tell ya the truth I do not work nearly as hard as my grandfather or father did yet I have more creature comforts than they had. So what’s my point?? Right, so if we kill the fed how will we as a country be better off? Will my neighbors be able to afford health care, send their kids to collage, be able to retire with dignity, and be better off than their parents? Was the country, or better yet were people better off before the fed or are we better off now because of the fed and will the next 7 generations be better of because of the fed??? Right, so I guess that’s my point or question.

I am glad you don't have to work nearly as hard as your grandfather or father did, and I'm glad you have amassed many creature comforts. It sounds like you have been successful. The reality is however that many many people are working harder and harder and making less and less. I know I am. Inflation has robbed us of much of the value of our money. I'm making the same hourly wage now as I was back in 1989 measured in inflation-adjusted dollars. Of course, prices have increased too, but my wage increases do not keep pace with rising prices. There is a lag, sometimes considerable, during which time I'm paying significantly higher prices with much lower-valued dollars. This is how wealth is stolen from working people through inflation.

When you were growing up, did your mother work outside your home or did she work at home, taking care of you kids? She might have worked out, but chances are she stayed home and your family was supported primarily by your father. That is rare in today's world where in most families, both husband and wife work outside the home, just to get by. With both parents working, children who used to be cared for by their parents at home now spend their days in child care, the quality of which, as I can sadly testify to myself, is not always what you'd want for our next generation. And it's expensive. Very expensive.

Above I referred to the "so-called" Great Depression. It's not that I question the use of the word "Great", it's because there is every indication we are headed into another depression with all the potential for being as deep and wide as the Great Depression was if not worse. You may yet have a chance to experience the difficulty and hardship that your grandfather and father did, and you'll be able to thank the Fed.

Quick quiz: What's the difference between a common armed robber such as a convenience store bandit, and the Federal Reserve? The first steals money from the cash register; the second steals the value of the money in the cash register.

[Barry Digman]

George I agree with this assessment. I wish we had strong third party so that we can elect different people and throw these rascals under the bus. I am not democrat but i do feel that Obama is lesser of the two evils.

How do you suppose a weak third party will become strong? Only by people standing up and voting for the third party candidate rather than the lesser of two evils. If people keep believing that the Republicans and Democrats are the only ones worthy of fielding a candidate then things will never change. Take a look at the Libertarians, the Constitutionalists, the Greens, the Independents. There really are more than two choices.

[George Fergusson]

How do you suppose a weak third party will become strong? Only by people standing up and voting for the third party candidate rather than the lesser of two evils.

Amen.

[George Fergusson]

George I agree with this assessment. I wish we had strong third party so that we can elect different people and throw these rascals under the bus. I am not democrat but i do feel that Obama is lesser of the two evils.

I agree about Obama being the lesser of 2 evils, but only because he intends to spend money we don't have here at home where at least we might see some benefit from it. McCain wants to blow it all overseas. They're both fiscally irresponsible morons in a Congress full of imbeciles. If anyone still has any doubts about the general competency of our elected officials, read this (emphasis mine):

Last week, the Bush administration increased its estimated budget deficit for the coming fiscal year to $482 billion, an all-time high. The deficit could climb even higher, it conceded, since the new projection doesn't include the full cost of military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan or the potential drop in tax collections if the economy continues to worsen.

Unsurprisingly, the political class reacted to the news politically, mostly by upbraiding the Bush administration. The chairman of the House Budget Committee, South Carolina Democrat John Spratt, declared that because of George W. Bush, "the largest surpluses in history have been converted into the largest deficits." Spratt's Senate counterpart, Democrat Kent Conrad of North Dakota, predicted that "Bush will be remembered as the most fiscally irresponsible president in our nation's history." Neither mentioned that presidents can only spend money that Congress has appropriated, or noted that their party has had control of Congress for the past 19 months.

The two members of Congress running for president likewise jumped on the bash-Bush bandwagon. The new deficit numbers, said John McCain, are a "striking reminder of the need to reverse the profligate spending that has characterized this administration's fiscal policy." Barack Obama slammed the "reckless" policies that have "busted our budget, wreaked havoc in our economy, and mortgaged our children's future on a mountain of debt."

Too bad neither candidate used the occasion to speak seriously about the looming fiscal crisis. What they - and we - should be urgently focused on is not the budget deficit in any given year, but the crushing national debt that all those deficits cumulatively add up to: currently $9.6 trillion, and climbing rapidly. Just paying the interest on that debt will cost the government nearly $250 billion this year, making debt service the fourth-largest item in the federal budget.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article5824.html

[dragonfly]

Only by people standing up and voting for the third party candidate rather than the lesser of two evils.

I agree with you on this. My observation of the general citizenry, though, is that there are two types of people (in the arena of voters). Those who want something from their government, and those who don't. Those who do far outnumber those who don't. That's the primary problem. We have a huge segment of the population who has never grown up and become truly responsible for their own happiness and their own lives. They are readily willing to trade their own freedom for a false sense of security. Until that huge obstacle is overcome, we will continue to have the status quo.

[George Fergusson]

I agree with you on this. My observation of the general citizenry, though, is that there are two types of people (in the arena of voters). Those who want something from their government, and those who don't.

I expect you're talking about welfare and in particular, welfare checks and subsidies like food stamps, rent assistance, etc. I don't know. You think people on welfare are politically astute enough to be making informed voting decisions based on who they think is going to cut them bigger checks? Are they registered Democrats?

Or you may be thinking of people who are relatively well off but still look to the government for assistance of one sort or another- employment for example, or subsidies/tax breaks of one sort or another.

I guess I'm not identifying with your division of the country into those that want something from government and those that don't. Everyone has a reasonable expectation of *something* from government, everyone benefits from some government expenditures.

I gotta go cook dinner now... no government handouts for me tonight :)

[dragonfly]

I expect you're talking about welfare and in particular, welfare checks and subsidies like food stamps, rent assistance, etc.

Well, not exactly. By most people wanting something from their government, I am including (as you mention) welfare and other social program recipients, but also corporations and farmers, and anyone else who benefits in a particular manner that is not equally distributed. We all benefit from interstate functions and defense (I guess;)) but nowadays the federal government picks and chooses who will be the recipients of federal funds. I also include those who vote whichever way they do based on their desire for government to give to the particular recipients of their choice. For example, Mr. Big, who is very wealthy, and has no want or need from the government votes for whoever is more likely to dispense money to his cause of choice, be it poor people, corporations, or farmers. He votes for candidate A because he wants the federal government "taking care" of the charity case he deems worthy and needy. Does this make my statement easier to grasp?


Everyone has a reasonable expectation of *something* from government, everyone benefits from some government expenditures.



Our expectations should be (imo) those given to the feds constitutionally.



I gotta go cook dinner now... no government handouts for me tonight :)

Yep, me too, and me neither:)

[pcelar]

EXXON John

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtXOBH6U89Y&eurl=http://www.crooksandliars.com/

[pcelar]

McCain: Still 'The One' For Lobbyists

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgq5I8l6h7E&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/12/132835/903/712/566784

[pcelar]

Vote Boredom. Vote Apathy. Vote McCain

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/12/121117/668

(check the pic on the link)