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[Keith Jarrett]

I have had much troubles getting some folks here to think on their own.I post on some threads and there are some that want a instruction manual to go with every little scrap of info in the post.

Why is it that others can follow up their research on a computer.... Ya, can you beleive that "a computer". didn't know they existed!

The last time it was "the banana" issue, Flyer Jim, look up the info DATED 1991 just fine.

It make posting here a real challenge... It would be nice if some could put out just a tiny bit of effort on THEIR OWN.

I didn't get to where I am today by not asking, but I get off my butt and look, find & seek the info I need.

I don't wait for it to fall out of the sky in my lap!

[cow pollinater]

Keith, I am roughly your age and at roughly the same point in my career as a breeder as you are as a beekeeper. I totally understand how frustrating it is for beginners to try to steal my hard won information.I used to play all my cards close and try to keep alot of secrets and expect others to earn the right to compete with me.
BUT, I have come to painfully realise that breeding cows, like beekeeping is hard work that takes tons of specialized knowledge, work ethic, and a real knack that some won't ever develop. Most people that are capable of doing either profession don't want to work that hard.
I give away everything I know about breeding cows and even try to demand that new guys do it my way. Out of the two hundred or so that have walked with me, there are two still in the business and they are more of a help to me than a hindrance. I knew they were going to make it the minute they stepped into the pen. I gladly hand them business that I can't take and they do the same for me. Most breeders struggle to make ends meet... we don't.

I really do understand your point, but I say give the information away for free. People with the drive to learn it on their own are people that you want on your side. Helping people is a fast way to gain freinds... The rest won't get it even if you hand it to them.

[John F]

What is "the banana" issue?

[in edit. Hope I didn't need the :)]

[Eaglerock]

Did someone get out on the wrong side this morning?

Doing research on the "COMPUTER" I found that "Ya" is not a word... "yea" is ....

"I have had much troubles " I am having problems with your wording in your sentence structures. Also no space between-- troubles and-- ".

"I have had much troubles getting some folks here to think on their own.I post on some threads and there are some that want a instruction manual to go with every little scrap of info in the post." Try putting a space between your sentences. Double space, thank you. Also, "much troubles"?

"The last time it was "the banana" issue, Flyer Jim, look up the info DATED 1991 just fine." Are you stating that Jim looked it up just fine, or telling him to? If you are stating he looked it up, the word you are looking for is "looked" not "look".

Others that would care about their English and grammar would get upset with you and ask that, you too, do your research in your writing skills. If this was in fact a place for, people, to correct and worry about what other do or say or ask.

Keith, some do not have the time to sit at a computer for hours to do this research, some have jobs, some have wives, and some have kids. Are they to drop their needs to do this research because you think they should? I believe this site was for people to connect and ask questions, and go back to what ever if need be, then they can come back to get an answer later, if there is one. I think this site was set up for people to ask others their opinion on something that has confronted them, etc.

My point being is, if you hate that someone asks you to explain something, then Keith, don't answer a post in the first place, if you are not willing to give.

Also, if you know where they can find this answer, then give them the website. Problem solved.

Sorry Keith, this is just my opinion... but when pointing a finger, there are three pointing back at you, as they say. :(

[Eaglerock]

I really do understand your point, but I say give the information away for free. People with the drive to learn it on their own are people that you want on your side. Helping people is a fast way to gain freinds... The rest won't get it even if you hand it to them.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

[John F]

...

Others that would care about their English and grammar would get up set with you ...

Did you mean "upset"?

:p

[dragonfly]

So Keith, if it bothers you that much, don't answer questions. I suspect that many people never learned how to expend the type of energy you are talking about, or they don't have the desire to expend that energy, and I suspect that other people just like to gab.

[high rate of speed]

I dont think anyone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

The bad part about all of this is,why would a commercial keeper post something,as stupid as a banana if it was going to do harm.REMEMBER FOLKS,
this is our full time job.Dont take a hobby so serious,life is supposed to bee ,[get it] fun.

[Keith Jarrett]

So Keith, if it bothers you that much, don't answer questions. I suspect that many people never learned how to expend the type of energy you are talking about, or they don't have the desire to expend that energy, and I suspect that other people just like to gab.

Well said Dragonfly,

John F.... :)


It's not that it bothers me, I just think the threads loose there energy (legs).

[dragonfly]

It's not that it bothers me, I just think the threads loose there energy (legs).

Probably so, but there will always be other threads.;) Haven't you noticed how we hash and rehash every conceivable subject to death, then a new one pops up a few weeks or months down the road to replace it?

[Keith Jarrett]

What is "the banana" issue?

[in edit. Hope I didn't need the :)]

John, the thread "spotting brood" they were talking "chalk" I posted that a banana has been known to cure that, from there it went down hill. Barry closed that part down.

Then Flyer Jim (not part of the post) looked it up on the computer and chimed in.....

Hey this is true, Keith is not making this up.

It's the lazyness that is irritating. It's not that I don't like to share.

Oh, one the guy that said people don't have time. Sheeese, as if I do.

I would like to see them run 2000 hives by them self, and a Wife & three Kids.

[Ben Brewcat]

For my part I really appreciated being able to ask basic questions. Sometimes the search feature doesn't work well for a subject. Sometimes a newbie may not have access to a club, a mentor, a beekeeping library. I hope (and have tried) to contribute as much back to the forum as I take away, and I for one like to offer feedback and ideas to all four of the beekeepers on Beesource with less experience than I have :).

Guess I always figured if I was being a clingy high-needs poster people would ignore me and not take the time to reply. That's how it works offline in the real world at least.

Actually I think we've illustrated one of the STRENGTHS of a board such as Beesource. There's always someone around willing to answer even a question that's been asked a hundred times.

It's like having a buddy to pop up and take over for you when someone says "Wow, you're a beekeeper? Do you ever get stung? do you have killer bees? What's causing CCD? My grandma always used to bake with honey....." :D:)

[Keith Jarrett]

Actually I think we've illustrated one of the STRENGTHS of a board such as Beesource. There's always someone around willing to answer even a question that's been asked a hundred times. D:)

BB, lol :)


Well then, Banana's & Beehives it is. :)

[cow pollinater]

Then Flyer Jim (not part of the post) looked it up on the computer and chimed in.....

Hey this is true, Keith is not making this up.

It's the lazyness that is irritating. It's not that I don't like to share.

Oh, one the guy that said people don't have time. Sheeese, as if I do.

I would like to see them run 2000 hives by them self, and a Wife & three Kids.


As I said, Keith, The people that are gonna do it (in this case Flyer Jim) are gonna find out on their own and will verify everything you say. Why not help them out?
Your edge is that you are willing to run two-thousand hives by yourself and still take the time to do the research and make smart choices. That makes you pretty much untouchable except by an elete few. Even if every beekeeper on this site grows to two thousand and does everything you say, you'll come out on top because most won't want to do the WORK part.
It makes you even more exclusive when you ca look down on everyone and think "I gave them the answers and they're still screwing it up"

[dragonfly]

I would like to see them run 2000 hives by them self, and a Wife & three Kids.


OMG, you really do that? My hat's off to you. :)

[Eaglerock]

Did you mean "upset"?

:p


*clearing throat" I have no idea what you're talking about.... LOL :D

[cow pollinater]

By the way, Keith, when someone says something like " just stick a banana peel in there", I consider the question "what the heck are you talking about?!" to be further research.

[Eaglerock]

Oh, one the guy that said people don't have time. Sheeese, as if I do.

I would like to see them run 2000 hives by them self, and a Wife & three Kids.

Well you must have had the time at one time or another, you stated you looked things up for yourself.... we are all busy... I work over 14 hours a day and have a wife and 3 daughters, 1 grand daughter, 2 grandsons... etc.

I guess I just remember when I was first learning back in the 60's and 70's how patient Amos was and how he was able to endure, without provocation and without becoming annoyed or upset with me.

[Eaglerock]

By the way, Keith, when someone says something like " just stick a banana peel in there", I consider the question "what the heck are you talking about?!" to be further research.

So very true... :)

[Eaglerock]

Ben Brewcat; I liked your post.

[high rate of speed]

Hey keith,

I'll take the bananas over the bee-hives anyday.:D

[MapMan]

I post on this forum, and other "hobbiest" forums when I have time. It really doesn't take too much time to answer questions - some which are admittedly a bit on the "no brainer" end of the spectrum - but, as I age, I have gotten more patient with "stoopid" people. And, to be civil, some questions I answer are similar to the ones which I asked not too long ago... We too soon forget that we once were new to beekeeping.

I do my homework --> research, though, when I take on a new enterprise, be it putting new bearings in my washing machine, working with auxin dilutions for a particular orchid cloning medium, or learning how to shear my sheep.

Today I was tending a dozen hives at a organic produce farm when I noticed the Amish owner standing by observing. As soon as I noticed him, he started in with the questions. As I opened each hive, I remarked what I was doing, and the condition of each hive, showing him good brood patterns, a troubled colony which will have to be combined this late in the season, and some great looking honey frames on some hives. He stood about ten feet away, and the bees didn't bother him in the least. It was actually nice to speak with someone other than the bees! Later, I asked him about his crops, and I toured his fields, and asked questions of my own. We both learned something today, and never felt hesitant to divulge the "secrets" of our trade. Often the research which you describe, Keith, is from meaningful dialogues with others. That's why this forum exists, and why there are such entities as clubs, associations and conferences attended by thousands.

MM

[Keith Jarrett]

most won't want to do the WORK part."

CP, as you well know it's alot of work, not just running the bees but trying new ideas (many of which don't work) that you hope will save time & money down the road.

Ya, work.... I thought the bees did it all. :)

[Barry]

I have had much troubles getting some folks here to think on their own.

Hello Keith -

I was going to stay out of this one, but because I was the one that closed the thread down you refer to, I'll take this opportunity to explain my position.

Perhaps if you let go of the idea that it's up to you to get others to think on their own, you'll have less troubles. I've had many experiences in life that have taught me the benefit of having healthy boundaries and not taking on other people's responsibilities. However, I don't agree that this is the case with the whole banana thing.

I post on some threads and there are some that want a instruction manual to go with every little scrap of info in the post.Again, you have the freedom to give as much or as little content in any post. If you give little, why are you surprised when there are members that ask for more info or clarification? This IS a discussion board, and you're nowhere near being known for lengthy posts, if you know what I mean. However again, the truth of the matter is that you posted a very cryptic message that had everyone trying to guess what you meant. You took follow-up questions as being uncalled for and a sign that other people won't do any hard work themselves. I just don't see it that way.

Why is it that others can follow up their research on a computer.... Ya, can you beleive that "a computer". didn't know they existed!How about being a little less abstruse in some of your postings so there won't be a need to keep asking for clarification. In this case, we all could do our own research on the net if we first knew you were truly serious about the banana thing. It certainly isn't common knowledge and frankly, I pushed it off immediately as a joke.

The last time it was "the banana" issue, Flyer Jim, look up the info DATED 1991 just fine.You wrote: "Take a banana, cut it long ways, put half on one side and the peel on the other, above the brood chamber, let two weeks go by and check for chalk brood."
This was followed up by another member with a very logical question: "What does the banana do?"
You replied with: "for once in your life, TAKE ACTION, why so many ???????????"

I think you were miffed because you didn't know the answer! :) Many posts later, you wrote: "why does a banana have a effect on chalk, I have no idea, All I know is it's been done by many keepers, that's all I can tell you. I'm sorry, I have not sent the banana in for lab testing."

You could have said right from the beginning:

"This has been done by many keepers as a treatment for chalk brood, and I have no idea how or why it works, but take a banana, cut it long ways, put half on one side and the peel on the other, above the brood chamber, let two weeks go by and check for chalk brood." I guarantee the thread would have gone a very different route. We get all the essentials right from the get go, instead of bits and pieces along the way.

It make posting here a real challenge... It would be nice if some could put out just a tiny bit of effort on THEIR OWN.It's only fair to ask the same from those posting a message.

I didn't get to where I am today by not asking, but I get off my butt and look, find & seek the info I need.So you shared the bit about the banana expecting others to figure it out when you yourself haven't done it or know the reasons behind it and get upset when people start asking for clarification? You didn't know about the info Flyer Jim found so am I assuming correctly?

The whole chalk brood thread got way off on a tangent because you didn't want to answer the question, "What does the banana do?" and then used that to make a point about some people being lazy and not wanting to do hard work for themselves.

As others have said, you have a lot of experience to offer members of this board. Keeping it close to your vest doesn't work well in a place like this forum, where we all come here to share with each other. If you don't have the time to give to a particular discussion, perhaps it is best to refrain from getting involved in the first place so you don't get frustrated when people start asking you questions and wanting more information. Just a suggestion.

[BEES4U]

We give the information and you still do not get it!
If you want to critiq our comunication skils go a head. Knock ur self out.
I f you wan to be the south end of a north bound critter--go ahead as we will laugh at you.
Now, on the good side of the board you will find a lot of information to utilize.
But, we do not h a v e 2 s p o o n f e e d y o u.
That is my point in case.
Please remember that a lot of us are n o t w o r k i n g w i t h a small number of hives.
The combined knowledge of this board is in the mega numbers and we give data out at no cost.
I read the ABC & XYZ book many times before I bought my 1st package at the Diamond Apiary supplies in Chico California. I cared for those bees without once asking for advice. I kept on reading and there was not much available like today.
I have no problem understanding what is posted.
And of course, I might as well add the fact that the average reading level and reading comprehension can be a might low for some individuals.
Now if some one want to tear this apart go ahead. But, I want to see your rubric and credentials!
BTW. I painted my new feed rims today and I would like to thank all the people that helped me make important thoughts in the construction.
Ernie

[Chef Isaac]

Keith:

I sorry if I make you mad or if you think I am lazy and do not do any research on my own.

Although I disagree with you on many different levels, I come from a different part then you do. In my position as Executive Chef, I have to teach daily. Everyday I am teaching one of my cooks something. A 19 year old cook came to me yesterday and asked me why we put black pepper in on the strawberries. How would it make him feel or how much of a person would if I said "why ask so many questions. just take ACTION". If I told one of my cooks that, I would get fired. He would feel that he could not ask questions at all.

The point being, this is a forum... a place to learn and ask questions. Heck, that is what life is all about. If I have the best recipe in the world for something, it would do me no good not to share it. That is my job, as a professional in the food business. It is my job to TEACH. Yes, I spent $100,000 on my education for 4 years of cooking school and spent EVERY weekend in the library researching while my colleagues drank, partied, and worked. Now it is MY JOB TO TEACH OTHERS. Great for you that you sent tons of stuff to the lab and that it benefits you... great... good job... pat on Keiths back... but as for a teacher, I must say you are a lousy one. I feel somewhat sorry for your kids if you tell them "why so many questions??? why be so lazy? Take Action".

You and I are just different. I teach.... heck, I will be the first one to teach any cook everything I have learned and expect nothing in return but maybe a thank you. You on the other hand, Barry is right, you make broad statements and get pissed if someone asks you to explain.

[Barry]

But, we do not h a v e 2 s p o o n f e e d y o u.

[snip]

BTW. I painted my new feed rims today and I would like to thank all the people that helped me make important thoughts in the construction.
Ernie

I believe it's called spoon feeding you. :rolleyes:

[Eaglerock]

He stood about ten feet away, and the bees didn't bother him in the least. It was actually nice to speak with someone other than the bees! Later, I asked him about his crops, and I toured his fields, and asked questions of my own. We both learned something today, and never felt hesitant to divulge the "secrets" of our trade. Often the research which you describe, Keith, is from meaningful dialogues with others. That's why this forum exists, and why there are such entities as clubs, associations and conferences attended by thousands.

MM

WOW...very well said... your whole post!

[Derek]

Skip me. My idea didn't work.

Keith,

I had the best Bus smiley! You would have loved it. But I could not get it to post right.

[high rate of speed]

Very well said Ernie.:)

Chef the kids thing was way to far under the bus.:(

[Chef Isaac]

HRS:

sorry.... in Keiths words "tough love"

[Chef Isaac]

Oh, and for the folks following the thread.... we put black pepper on our strawberries to bring out the flavor and aroma of the strawberries.....

Oh wait... there I go again.... teaching.... sorry guys. Maybe I should just keep all the trade secrets to myself.

but.... in keiths words "do your own research... TAKE ACTION".

[BEES4U]

Thanks for the help.
Here is a little you tube song for us all.
OH LORD IT'S HARD TO BE HUMBLE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itb6uNL_3ag&NR=1
Ernie

[BEES4U]

And other people dip the strawberries in chocolate.
ernie

[Keith Jarrett]

but as for a teacher, I must say you are a lousy one. I feel somewhat sorry for your kids if you tell them "why so many questions??? why be so lazy? Take Action".
.

Yes Chef we are on different paths here for sure,

The best teacher is somebody that teaches their students (kids) to think.

You can give hand outs all day long, all you will do is create a welfare system.

My Dad, DR. Jarrett was a five-bata-cappa at UC Davis, pretty sharp guy.

When I was in my 20's going to college I wanted to buy my first house & shop on 5 acres for my bees.

I ask my dad for help, he said, that's what banks are for. I learned from that,BTW I bought that place as well.

That place is now paid for now, along with a dozen others.

Gee, I really don't do anything special, beekeeper,construction & RE rentals. How is it that a common Joe like myself could be worth millions at this age. Because I was taught to think.

HRS knows me well, he can add if he wants to.

[Derek]

Oh, and for the folks following the thread.... we put black pepper on our strawberries to bring out the flavor and aroma of the strawberries......

That was my next question. Thanks Chef.

[high rate of speed]

If black pepper is put on strawberries,what should we put on bananas?LOL.

tough love is one thing,but writing a journal is another.Chef cooking is your livelyhood as beekeeping is ours,what is the big deal about a piece of fruit and a hive out back to play with.This is the trials and tribulations of beekeeping.If we all had the right answer everyone would be doing it right.

[Keith Jarrett]

Hello Keith -
You took follow-up questions as being uncalled for and a sign that other people won't do any hard work themselves. I just don't see it that way.

Barry, part is there is no hard data on this , it's like CCD we've gone from dead hives to cell towers.
I like to keep my name low if I'm not 100% sure of what I'm saying.

[Derek]

http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/party/party0052.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

[high rate of speed]

Good one Derick.

Hopefully that one sticks.lol.:D

[Keith Jarrett]

sheeese, I need to get on the CCD team. LOL

[high rate of speed]

I have to say "thinking" is the best teacher.Calculators,computers,cheat sheets should be used later in life.COMMON sense should be tought first in schools today.

[Keith Jarrett]

I have to say "thinking" is the best teacher.Calculators,computers,cheat sheets should be used later in life.COMMON sense should be tought first in schools today.

Ya, hrs, look no futher than Obama, if that doesn't tell you something nothing will.Common sence, I don't think this country has much left.

[Barry Digman]

My Dad, DR. Jarrett was a five-bata-cappa at UC Davis, pretty sharp guy.




That's "Phi Beta Kappa".

[Chef Isaac]

HRS:

You Say: "If we all had the right answer everyone would be doing it right."

Yes however one can only build on things if they are taught what those things are. I only know beekeeping and cooking so for example, if someone had this awesome way to produce comb honey, what good does it take for that person to take it to the grave? That is one of the coolest things about working hives with the elder is that they will TEACH you. They have no reason to take things to the grave. For me, my belief is that I have no "trade" secrets to be kept and that I want to teach my cooks everything I can since they did not have the money to go to culinary school like myself. In the end, Keith and I have two different ways of looking at things. Just like Keith, he might have spent so much money in research and all and is reluctent to share for myself with spending over 100,000 on my education and with the industry experience, I will tell anyone anything they want to know for free. All my cooks that I have ever worked for me can call me if they have culinary questions anytime. That is just the way I look at it. Life is about teaching.

[Chef Isaac]

HRS:

You say: "I have to say "thinking" is the best teacher.Calculators,computers,cheat sheets should be used later in life.COMMON sense should be tought first in schools today."

For what people pay on their education, one better learn more then just common sense.

If a cook comes to me and asks me why their chicken breast is not golden brown in color when they saute it, I do not tell them that they need to research why. Why take that approach? That does NOTHING. I tell them what the reasons are and why... the science behind it all.

However, if a prep cook asks me what to put on the salads for garnishes, I ask them what they think might sound good.

In the end of it all, HRS, being able to think on ones own only works if there is enough base knowledge to do so.

If someone asked you to do something in a quick, undescribeable sentence, would you either:

a) try it
b) ignore it
c) ask why

If you pick a, you are a fool. Someone who has been educated though age, would ask why. This is a simple question, HRS, dont read to far into it. Lets try another example on your level:

If your tax accountant said that you owe $50,000 would you:

a) just pay it
b) ignore him
c) ask why

Under your level of thinking, you would just pay. But again, one should always ask why.

Just me two cents on it all.

[Chef Isaac]

Keith: Great, your dad didnt give you money. Not the best example really.

I am not sure what your dad was as far as doctor goes so for this example, lets just assume he was a doctor practicing medicine.

If you said "hey dad, what happens if you take this pill and this pill together"

Your dad, I can almost guarentee this, would not have said "sorry son, look it up yourself. Take ACTION.... try taking those two pills and see what happens"

Come on Keith, your are reading to far into it. People come to others to gain information and to learn. You and others have the edge of being commercial beekeepers and have learned a lot. When people come to you, they want to learn and gain knowledge. But your take is that "sorry, I learned this the hard way, you are gonna learn this the hard way". That is a disapointing way of looking at it. Why even waste your time on this forum then? And to be frank, your teaching skills... well... they suck.

For people who REALLY want to learn from you and look up to you as someone who is at the height of beekeeping, your really disappointing in the teaching aspect of it.

[Putz]

Do your own research...
Hmmm...

Isn't asking a more knowledgeable and experienced person a question doing research?

[BjornBee]

I think the recent threads went far beyond the points of what one should learn on their own, what one feels others should do, etc. It had to do with some taking upon themselves in some anointed way of setting some "rules" that they themselves think best. The first post, first sentence, of this thread is an example. "I" is followed with some self induced idea that they are here to demand, manipulate, or force others to "think" for themselves.

But it goes beyond that. The idea that they are here trying to "teach" someone a lesson, as previous mentioned, is littered with demeaning comments, inside jabs by a few that must feel they belong to some "joined at the hip club" thus commenting in some translated "That's right dude", (while holding up a hand for a high five) and thinking they are getting something over on another)

Recently such comments in reply to a beesource member asking an open question about a potential problem was met with something like "feed, feed, feed...plastic,plastic,plastic, 90 pounds in the brood chamber, sheesh (it was sub-title was along the lines of "Doesn't anyone keep natural bees or (something like that) * you can look it up if you want as I was going by memory.

But the larger picture was that a person came here with questions. He thought something was wrong. He sought information from those willing to help. But was met by a post that helped in no way, demeaned the poster as if he did something wrong because he wasn't doing what another thought best.

You take that, and throw in a few who now call people "rookies", self impose some lessons they think best taught without being asked, make excuses (had a long day) for their poor taste and professionalism, and it all adds up.

It adds up to much discussions off the main board by new beekeepers who are discussing going to other boards where such demeaning and belittling discussion is not seen. This is a theme and in PM and private email relayed to me, this is what is being suggested to others. "hey, you don't need to put up with that crap! Have you been to this site....?"

I think many who come here are beginners looking for mentors and wanting to ask questions of those with more experience who are willing to answer them. Answers given without the self imposed "lessons", without the belittling and demeaning comments, etc.

I honestly don't understand why some make excuses for not having "time" to fully answer a question, but have time to "cat and mouse' an issue and argue 15 posts in saying so. I also don't understand why some come here if they don't want to help others by passing on what they know, and the only way they can justify helping at all is by imposing some "I'm trying to teach someone a lesson" all the while suggesting others are lazy, not willing to work for it, etc.

I think beesource is suffering and others are staying clear of this site. Others are hesitant to ask questions. It's a real shame.

For the record, I have argued my fair share of battles. Politics, religion, etc. That's not what I'm talking about. This is more having to do with how people with lesser skills are made to feel and how people come and perceive the help offered here.

I have suggested that some who have commented off the main board of how people are being pushed away, that they relay their comments to Barry. People realize they can go elsewhere to have such people as MB answer their questions, with far less crap. That's the reality.

[Eaglerock]

Ya, hrs, look no futher than Obama, if that doesn't tell you something nothing will.Common sence, I don't think this country has much left.

As I said before Keith, "Ya" is not a word... if you want others to learn, then you should expect nothing less from yourself. I could again tell you, but then, you are a Doctors son from "five-bata-cappa at UC Davis", to which, Barry has corrected you again, so look it up. You too, must not been paying attention at home, "Phi Beta Kappa".

I have to say Keith, you are a good man, as we pound away at you and you seem to come back, good-humored. A sign of a good man. :cool:

[Keith Jarrett]

But the larger picture.

Bjorn, what took you so long, I had you about 5th or 6th post, oh and why again such a short post. :)

[Keith Jarrett]

As I said before Keith, "Ya" is not a word... :

Ya, that was just for you, but I think you missed a couple. :)

[Barry]

why would a commercial keeper post something,as stupid as a banana if it was going to do harm.

Your premise is that a banana put into a hive is not abnormal. I'm sorry, but every eyebrow was raised on this one.
Do harm?! Are you serious? More like do nothing but make a mess in the hive.

Since you bring the "stupid" issue into it, it's no secret what "stupid" practices are done in commercial hives all the time to keep bees alive. I would be very careful going down this road.

[BjornBee]

Bjorn, what took you so long, I had you about 5th or 6th post, oh and why again such a short post. :)


I was staying out of it. I was the one who gave this thread a one star. I saw nothing worthy of responding. Only upon getting PM's requesting my opinion, did I reconsider.

Glad you liked my post.

[Keith Jarrett]

Keith: Great, your dad didnt give you money. Not the best example really. .

Well Chef, what would be the best example, be like the goverment and just start handing it out?

[Keith Jarrett]

Keith: Great, your dad didnt give you money. Not the best example really.

Who said anything about money,heck I had no problems earning that.
I needed a co-sign for my loan is what I needed.

Kinda hard to show a track record when you just got out of high school a few years earlyer.

[Chef Isaac]

Well Keith, not sure what to tell you. Since that fact of the matter is that your teaching abilities still suck and you will not answer any questions because EVERYTHING is so secretive. Like I said a long time ago, if the teachers did that to your kids at school, you would think twice on your poor attitude on teaching.

Knowledge was meant to be passed among people who want to learn. Ray said it best... asking someone who knows more then you is doing research.

[Chef Isaac]

I have an idea Keith. Why dont you send me your po box and I will send you a book on how to teach. I will even do the research for you and find the book!

[Chef Isaac]

Then maybe you can... in your words..."TAKE ACTION" and learn to teach. Never know,,, maybe you will be a better father then your father was.

just an idea. I will be looking for the PM!

[Keith Jarrett]

Then maybe you can... in your words..."TAKE ACTION" and learn to teach. Never know,,, maybe you will be a better father then your father was. !

Ya... really, I did not know you knew him, my father that is.

[Keith Jarrett]

I will send you a book on how to teach.
!

Can't add much to that statment it speaks for itself.

[Chef Isaac]

Maybe I can find you a simple 10 step program or something on how to teach. I will find a small book for ya. I know your busy.

[MapMan]

Oh, and for the folks following the thread.... we put black pepper on our strawberries to bring out the flavor and aroma of the strawberries.....


I put some red wine on my strawberries to bring out the flavor and sweetness of the berries. I'll have to try black pepper. Thanks-

MM

[Chef Isaac]

We choose black pepper. It works very nicely. Just need a small amount. We have also found this to work on raspberries too.

[dragonfly]

Oh, and for the folks following the thread.... we put black pepper on our strawberries to bring out the flavor and aroma of the strawberries.....

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You probably know this already, but balsamic vinegar on strawberries is a wonderful combination too.:)

[MapMan]

Oh yeah! Balsamic vinegar is great too - but using the "real" stuff - it has to be at least a dozen years old.

MM

[Chef Isaac]

100 year old balsamic is the best. You can "cheat" though.

If you take 2 cups of balsamic vinegar and about 1/4 c of brown sugar, reduce it to about 1/2 cup on the stove, it is just like the 100 year old balsamic.

[MapMan]

WOW...very well said... your whole post!

Thanks, Eaglerock. I didn't think anyone read my posts...

I do try to avoid putting my foot in my mouth -- I've done that in the distant past, and then I put more fuel on the fire by not retracting my statement, or explaining my position. Only a fool would keep beating a dead horse.

I think I'll hold off on using another cliché in this post.:)


MM

[dragonfly]

Only a fool would keep beating a dead horse.





Then most of us are fools.;) At least we are in good company.

[MapMan]

Then most of us are fools.;) At least we are in good company.

Touché.;)

MM

[Chef Isaac]

and with great food! )

[Eaglerock]

Ya, that was just for you, but I think you missed a couple. :)

*chuckle* I am sure I did. :)