Thymol in Syrup

[Nick Noyes]

Is anyone adding thymol to syrup? If so how much (recipe)?
I have heard conflicting reports and am digging for good info.

[BEES4U]

FYI: You can do a seach in the menue bar. It's # 6 from the left.

FYI: This is from Randy O. site.
Thymolated syrup formula

Update: this strength of thymolated syrup does not appear to control nosema! I am currently undertaking a trial at 3x strength. My current recommendation is to use FumagilB in syrup per label directions.



OK, here’s how you make the premix. You can use either ethyl or isopropyl alcohol. The cheapest and easiest is 91% isopropyl alcohol from the drug store (70% will also work, but won’t dissolve as much thymol). Isopropyl alcohol is relatively nontoxic to insects, and the small amount won’t hurt your bees. I wouldn’t use denatured ethanol, since they add nasty “ingestion deterrents.” Theoretically, you can dissolve 1g of thymol in 1ml of pure alcohol, but in practice this is difficult, and the solution doesn’t mix well with water.

What works well is to add 12.5 grams of thymol crystals 88ml of of 91% isopropyl alcohol (total volume = 100ml) (from the drug store, isopropyl alcohol is not harmful to bees at this concentration; 70% works, but not as well; 151 proof Everclear grain alcohol or 160 proof vodka works great, and is less toxic to bees than isopropyl).
Add 2ml of premix per gallon of syrup (2 tsp per 5 gallons). Slowly pour the premix into the hot water that you’re using to mix syrup (watch the fumes) and stir vigorously until thoroughly mixed. Note that thymol sinks in alcohol, but floats in water, and will rise to the surface of the syrup until it is thoroughly dissolved by stirring. The premix can also be added to the bottom of a tank as you fill it with warm HFCS. Caution: you should always wear nitrile gloves when handling thymol, if for nothing else, to remind you not to rub your eyes! If you do get it on your skin, wash it off with warm water—cold water won’t dissolve it.

OK, OK, I’ll do even more math for you, in order to help you to avoid mistakes. Here’s a really simple way of making the premix. Take a 1 pint (473ml) bottle of 91% alcohol, mark the fill level, then pour the alcohol out. Then weigh 59g of thymol crystals, and pour them carefully into the empty bottle. Then pour about three quarters of the alcohol back in, recap, and shake until the alcohol’s dissolved. Then top off back the the original fill level with alcohol. You now have a bottle of premix that will thymolate (dontcha just love the sound of that word?) 236 gallons of syrup. Similarly for a liter bottle, put in 125g thymol, and top off to 1 liter with alcohol. For God’s sake, immediately relabel the bottle so that no one rubs it on their skin (I guarantee you, they're not gonna drink it)! Any of these premixes can be added at the rate of 2ml per gallon of syrup.
Regards,
Ernie Lucas Apiaries.

[Dave Burrup]

Where does everyone buy the thymol crystals?

[Sundance]

WinterSun Chem (http://www.wintersunchem.com/T/Thymol.htm)

[Roland]

The local drug store was able to get me some Thymol, but make sure it is only to treat the syrup, not the bees,(wink). If my memory is correct, the concentration initially quoted is .44milliMoles.

Roland

[Bud Dingler]

there is no federal label for using thymol in syrup, therefore it is against the law. not only that as noted it appears to not even work.

[Sundance]

Randy Olivers work has show what many already
knew. Thymol is an excellent mold retardant. It
is very cheap and easy to use.

In addition, it has good indications that is helps with
Nosema.

[edenhillapiaries]

I have used thymol as a mold retardant with good results. I bought the thymol here http://www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln/. These strips are intended for varroa control (and work well in my opinion) but can be used in syrup if the directions on the site are followed. Much cheaper than Honey-B-Healthy or similar products, although I believe that HBH has other benefits.

Jason

[BeeCurious]

Another source for thymol crystals is Lebermuth:

http://www.lebermuth.com/crystals-p-thymol_crystals.php

They sell it for $21.30 per pound.

[suttonbeeman]

I agree with Bud. However until the feds stop all the contaminated food coming into US and protect us from illegal insecticides and antibotics coming from China and elsewhere I'm not going to worry bout Uncle looking over my shoulder for using something that leaves no residue and no health problems. Besides if someone would spend mega bucks to get oxalic acid approved then we could pay mega bucks for it and it would be legal! Its all about money!!!!!!

[irwin harlton]

http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/publications/publications.htm?seq_no_115=230111

[alpha6]

there is no federal label for using thymol in syrup, therefore it is against the law. not only that as noted it appears to not even work.

Sorry Bud but you are way wrong on both your points. First just because there is no federal statue to cover the use of something doesn't make it illegal. If you can point to the statue that says such a thing I think we will all be enlightened. Next there is study after study about the effects of thyme oil and it's effectiveness with mites. It is a natural miticide. :rolleyes: