I'm one of those swing vote guys.

[Derek]

I have voted Republican every election except the last one. I voted Kerry. In the primary I voted for Obama. And here's why.

McCain's is so out of touch with the general public. He is a life long politician. He is what I call "bought and paid for" I think his Personal Interest would get in the way of the job. Granted all Presidents/Senators/Congress people have it and use it. It just seems more prevalent w/ McCain. He tried to make a major stink and have MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) fighting banded in the U.S. a couple years back. I could care less about MMA. But he did this because boxing's ratings are in the toilet. And MMA's are thru the roof. Guess who's the biggest sponser of boxing is and stands to lose millions. Budwieser. Who is the chairman of a major bud dist. company. Cindy McCain. Of course his plead went know where. But its things like that I don't like.

Yesterday he went on a grocery shopping trip with a lady from somewhere. The news covered it. And then at his afternoon speech he was talking about it and had to pull out his talking points sheet to quote what a gallon of milk cost. He could not remember the price off hand and had to pull out a cheat sheet to get the price.

Its the common everyday items like that he has no idea about. And I do. He hasn't driven a car in 30+ years. Yesterday was his first trip in a supermarket in 20+ years.

Good thing his holiday gas tax idea died too. I have 6 family members of the 250,000 people up north that would have been layed off because of job cuts do to that. And they might have wanted to move down here for a while. :(

Just some thoughts. Here comes Galaxy im sure. lol

[George Fergusson]

My problem with Obama is that he's a Democrat. My problem with McCain is that he's a Republican. I wouldn't be any happier if Obama was a Republican and McCain a Democrat.

I don't fault McCain for having a bad memory, I have a bad memory and I don't really fault him for not being in a supermarket in 20 years. I happen to do 90% of the grocery shopping in my household and have for a few years. I can tell you without question that the majority of the people you encounter in supermarkets are women. Really!

I guess if pressed for why I'm not thrilled with either candidate I'd have to say it's not because of their stand on any particular issue or their intention to raise or cut taxes; you can be certain that anything they say they're going to do or not do if they get elected they will promptly forget to do or not do if they do get elected. The reason I don't like either candidate is because they desperately *want* to be president. I guess I just don't trust anyone that really wants the job.

[Eaglerock]

My problem with Obama is that he's a Democrat. My problem with McCain is that he's a Republican. I wouldn't be any happier if Obama was a Republican and McCain a Democrat.

I don't fault McCain for having a bad memory, I have a bad memory and I don't really fault him for not being in a supermarket in 20 years. I happen to do 90% of the grocery shopping in my household and have for a few years. I can tell you without question that the majority of the people you encounter in supermarkets are women. Really!

I guess if pressed for why I'm not thrilled with either candidate I'd have to say it's not because of their stand on any particular issue or their intention to raise or cut taxes; you can be certain that anything they say they're going to do or not do if they get elected they will promptly forget to do or not do if they do get elected. The reason I don't like either candidate is because they desperately *want* to be president. I guess I just don't trust anyone that really wants the job.


Quote: "I can tell you without question that the majority of the people you encounter in supermarkets are women. Really!"

You are truly wrong about that! I was a Supermarket Manager for over 21 years and there is as many men shopping as women. This was not true in the 60's and 70's but things started changing in the 80's. We use to think about how to catch the woman's attention, but that changed. One reason is there are more single dad's and maybe single men. Or maybe we men realized it was not a womans job. Who knows but the market did change. Sorry.

[Barry]

He hasn't driven a car in 30+ years.

I didn't know this, but given that every time I see him on TV it appears he has sticks under his clothes to keep him propped up, I'm not surprised. McCain does nothing for me. He's the old establishment. Obama is young and energetic and talks of change, but so far it's just change for the sake of change. I can't support either one of them yet those are the only choices. Sad.

[BjornBee]

I think its laughable that one chooses a person on their knowledge of knowing a price of milk. I admit, my wife does the shopping, as well as most of the women I know, who are married to the guys I know. Not sure in what type world most live in, but I cut the grass and take out the garbage, and my wife does laundry and cooks. That's not to say I don't cook as I love to do it. And my wife openly admits I'm the better cook. But to even suggest that as many men do the groceries as women is absurd.

I laughed awhile ago when someone here on beesource suggested their wife was voting for Obama based on counting years that the country was run by a Bush or a Clinton. Like that was more important than what one person or another stood for.

For me, I'll vote based on who or which party wants to raise my taxes, which one wants to take away my guns, which one will provide a more stable security for this nation, which one stands on principle and does not beholden themselves to media or a wet finger held into the air to gauge the flavor of the day, among other things.

No wonder this country is where its at. Making a decision, and actually thinking that such internal thoughts are so important as whether a person knows the price of a gallon of milk, and thinking this is worthy of intelligent discussion. God help us all!!!

[Eaglerock]

I didn't know this, but given that every time I see him on TV it appears he has sticks under his clothes to keep him propped up, I'm not surprised. McCain does nothing for me. He's the old establishment. Obama is young and energetic and talks of change, but so far it's just change for the sake of change. I can't support either one of them yet those are the only choices. Sad.

I guess giving our choices I would have to go with Obama. Clinton and McCain both are as you say, "old establishment". McCain can't remember and Clinton couldn't even get a cup of coffee. Neither one knows what the common man is going through and I really beleive neither really did or do care, as long as they get their money. Obama can really do no worse than what we have had for the last 8 years in my view. I say give him a try... if nothing is done in 4 years... fire him and maybe we will get someone running that will. ahhhh yeah right! lol

[mike haney]

"No wonder this country is where its at. Making a decision, and actually thinking that such internal thoughts are so important as whether a person knows the price of a gallon of milk, and thinking this is worthy of intelligent discussion. God help us all" well i can see the conection between knowing the price of milk and beeing in touch with the common man. one would hope a politician that knows our concerns would represnt us better. too bad this isn't true. they are after all both politicians and the concern they are most likely to represent is the concern to get elected, then re-elected

[Galaxy]

I didn't know this, but given that every time I see him on TV it appears he has sticks under his clothes to keep him propped up, I'm not surprised. McCain does nothing for me. I don't know what you are talking about when you talk of "sticks under his clothes". But, if it is the limited range of motion in his arms, that is due to the injuries he suffered from torture as a POW. To denigrate anyone because of a physical defect is sad.

But to denigrate a former POW because of his physical defects that were caused by injuries he received under torture is pathetic if one knows the origin of those physical defects. Only you know if you were aware of the origin of McCain's' physical limitations. So, I will not judge you statement.

Barry, I apologize for using your post to make a point. But, I feel the point needs to be made.

[Barry Digman]

You know, the Republicans and Democrats would like you to believe that they are the only ones in the game. Not so. If you're like many Americans these days, you're sick and tired of both parties and the disaster they are. Perhaps it's time to consider someone besides the tired old Red State/Blue State one-two punch.

Much of this election will focus on Iraq and the silly arguement that "If we don't kill 'em there, we'll be fighting them in Central Park". Here's a piece from years back that has a decidely different take on the US getting involved in foreign entanglements. And keep in mind that there's a Libertarian running for President.



If U.S. politicians had minded their own business in 1917, instead of plunging America into a war that didn't threaten us, an armistice would have occurred, and the existing governments in Russia and Germany most likely would have remained in power -- meaning no Soviet Union and no Hitler. But do-gooders always believe they know what's best for the world -- and they claim that some simple act of force will settle matters once and for all. It never does.

http://www.radicalacademy.com/studentrefpolitics22hb1.htm

[Sundance]

What troubles me about McCain is his close ties with
lobbyists, his Keating Five adventure, and the fact
that he's been in Washington for 30 years (many with
a Republican President and congress) and we're in a
mess............

His POW status, although a tragedy, does nothing to
qualify him to be president. I am denigrating him for
being a POW, but neither am I elevating him either.

McCain for all his banter about being in touch with
the world seems to screw up way, way, to much.
Confusing Shi'ites and Sunni, thinking Iraq shares
a border with Pakistan, and on and on. His admission
that he doesn't know much about economic matters
is not reassuring either.

It was fantastic to see American flags being waved
enthusiastically yesterday (and they weren't on fire!)
in Germany in front of 200,000 people!!

[dragonfly]

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No wonder this country is where its at. Making a decision, and actually thinking that such internal thoughts are so important as whether a person knows the price of a gallon of milk, and thinking this is worthy of intelligent discussion. God help us all!!!

You are dead on right about that!

[dragonfly]

Hey Derek, have you heard they made a movie about you?

[dragonfly]

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Granted all Presidents/Senators/Congress people have it and use it. It just seems more prevalent w/ McCain.



How so? How is it more prevalent with McCain? Not that I like the guy, but I find it interesting that you think this.

[dragonfly]

I wouldn't be any happier if Obama was a Republican and McCain a Democrat.




Ditto:)

[Bodo]

For me, I'll vote based on who or which party wants to raise my taxes, which one wants to take away my guns, which one will provide a more stable security for this nation, which one stands on principle and does not beholden themselves to media or a wet finger held into the air to gauge the flavor of the day, among other things.

Exactly.

[John F]

Bjorn - thumbs up for the call to principles.

The Big U. S. (get it? :D) has been heading down the warfare/welfare highway for some time now. George keeps driving us towards the land of empire headed by a class of priviledge. I think we are headed in the wrong direction and have said so a time or two.

Ron wants to turn the bus (ah!!!) around. I like that. It fits with my belief that we took a wrong turn somewhere and should consult the map.

Barack is ok with driving to empire as long as we make a pit stop and get some more socialism. (JohnF click the heels of his pretty glass slippers and repeats "No more socialism")

John (uh, JohnM) wants to sit in the front seat and hold the wheel.

That was fun. Another perspective:

Ron wants change that is good.
Barack wants change that is bad.
John likes to use the word change because everyone else does.

(By the way, I know Ron isn't applying for the job but I need to use him as an example so my post can give another perspective.)

Slogan bumper stickers:

For Ron:
It isn't what it says it is so shouldn't we either change it to what it says it is or change what it says to match what it is?

For Barack: *
I've got one or two things to say about change, like the change we must change to the change we hold dear; I really like change, have I made myself clear?

For John:
Party on Garth!

* - thanks to JibJab (http://sendables.jibjab.com/sendables/1191/time_for_some_campaignin#)

[dragonfly]

Ron wants change that is good.
Barack wants change that is bad.
John likes to use the word change because everyone else does.

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That's pretty much it in a nutshell. :)

[Barry]

There are a lot of "me to", "ditto", "exactly", "I agree", "here here", "You're dead on" posts lately. I'm asking members to refrain from making these kind of posts as they really don't add anything new to the thread except disk space. Let's just proceed with the assumption that with every post, there is somebody that would agree with it. Well, except maybe . . . this post. :D

[BjornBee]

There are a lot of "me to", "ditto", "exactly", "I agree", "here here", "You're dead on" posts lately. I'm asking members to refrain from making these kind of posts as they really don't add anything new to the thread except disk space. Let's just proceed with the assumption that with every post, there is somebody that would agree with it. Well, except maybe . . . this post. :D

Barry, I would think that purging the files that go into the historical files of beesource of non bee related matter would be something to consider. I can see keeping material relevant to beekeeping and all, but the political, religious, and other material would be historically kept for what reason?

So why not purge and delete not just non-bee threads but even those bee topics that are so repetitious that it just seems silly to keep two dozens threads all asking "Do I paint the inside of the hive?"

Of course if you want to keep threads shorter, than just post more Barry. I think many must be afraid of commenting after you, as I notice once you post, many times the thread dies. You should be called the "Great thread killer", or something like that... ;)

[Barry]

So why not purge and delete not just non-bee threads but even those bee topics that are so repetitious that it just seems silly to keep two dozens threads all asking "Do I paint the inside of the hive?";)

I'll have to look into this. Not sure I have the option to pick and choose what to back up beyond the entire board.

I think many must be afraid of commenting after you, as I notice once you post, many times the thread dies.

I don't know why that is. I laid my cards down on Oldbee's "what's wrong with this frame" thread and it died instantly! :eek: Maybe I'm taken too serious sometimes? OK, somebody please post another message so this one doesn't die.

[JPK1NH]

I don't know why that is. I laid my cards down on Oldbee's "what's wrong with this frame" thread and it died instantly! :eek: Maybe I'm taken too serious sometimes? OK, somebody please post another message so this one doesn't die.

You could always change your screen name to "The Reaper" That would be pretty funny for a Mod :rolleyes:

[NasalSponge]

*bump*

[cow pollinater]

You could borrow a name. BTK...Barry the Thread Killer