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Emi Mack
06-01-2008, 03:07 PM
Hello, I'm new and this is a wonderful site! And I started keeping bees three years ago.

So last spring I fed my bees with crystalized honey left over in the frames from the previous years extraction.

After removing all of my honey supers in the fall, my extractor motor broke, so the supers stayed stacked up in the foyer for about four weeks before I got the extractor going again.

Once I started extracting, I was amazed at how much of the capped honey had already crystalized, plus there were partially capped frames that were starting to ferment, I assume because it wasn't ripe enough when I took it off the hives. I took out what I could, soaked all of my frames in luke warm water to clean out the cells and then stacked them by the wood stove to dry before storing them for the winter.

This spring, one of my four hives was dead. Several of the frames were partly full of dead bees head down in the cells with only the barest bit of backside sticking out, while next to them was capped, fully crystalized honey. I imagine they starved to death because they couldn't use the honey.

There were also some other weird things: Some sunken caps with nothing underneath them; half a dozen cells in the corner of one frame with a whitish residue at the bottom but nothing else.

Now, two of my remaining three hives are really weak. We've had a cold, wet, windy spring and it was only three days ago that I was able to get into the hives thoroughly. The weak colonies have less than three frames of brood each, though I did find one of their queens and she looked big, fat and strong to me, then again I'll be the first to say "what do I know?" Also, I didn't find any pollen stores in either hive.

These hives also had primarily hard, crystalized honey. In a minor panic, I removed one of the brood chambers from each (they were empty barring hard honey), took out as much of the crystalized honey that I could without disturbing any brood from the other ones and slapped top feeders full of thick sugar syrup onto each one. I also inserted one foundationless frame into each as I would really love to see how that works!

Now, I'm not sure what to do with them! I've never treated them with chemicals, but maybe I should? I didn't feed syrup last fall or this spring (until now!) but we have a very long winter here (Cape Breton) and sometimes a miserable spring, so maybe I should be stuffing them with syrup for their own good?

The bottom board and lower brood chamber tend to get very damp and even moldy every spring, and I was also wondering if I should be switching to bottomless hives and if they can winter in this cold climate like that.

Any experienced advice on how to get these colonies hearty again would be greatly appreciated. I won't import nucs because Cape Breton is one of the only places left that doesn't have Verroa and when the guy down the road brought in some nucs from the mainland last year, they ALL had Verroa and he loaded them up and drove them right back to the mainland again.

Strangely enough, the last hive is going like gangbusters!

Thanks again, bee safe
Emi

Beaches' Bee-Haven Apiary
06-01-2008, 03:20 PM
Move down South... solve all your problems!:D

I've heard that some honeys crystalize faster than other, it depends on where the bees get their nectar from.

Your hive definately died of starvation, I'm gunna say it was because you didn't have any pollen in there, not so much the crystalized honey. I'd get some pollen patties on your weak hives ASAP, otherwise they will starve. Remember, the bees use honey and surgar water for energy, but they need the protein of pollen. And don't worry about feeding them sugar water, right now, they need it!

Sounds like you have some serious moisture problems, and your bees are probably stressed with a disease of some sort. See if you can't diagnose it, but right now I'd get those solid bottom boards off and put on screened ones. Also get some sort of upper ventilation, like and inner cover or upper entrance. If you can get good air circulation, that will boost your bees moral and health!

I'd advise not treating with chemicals right now, just because it may stress them some more. I would do some powdered sugar shakes to get rid of any varroa, and maybe a Crisco patty for trachael.

Tell us how it turns out... and welcome to the board!

-Nathanael:cool:

Emi Mack
06-03-2008, 04:54 PM
Thank you, Nathanael, for the advice. The pollen patties and screen bottom boards are on their way.

Once they arrive, I think I'll give each of the weak hives a frame of brood from the strong one, and really give them a boost!

I think I can get the girls fit to go through next winter at the least. Pretty sad that I have to think of wintering them when June has just begun, but it's a very short season. I did live in Georgia before, but never even thought I'd be a beek someday then.

Thanks again for the response, Emi

beegee
06-03-2008, 09:03 PM
You may not have an ideal location for bees. It sounds like whatever nectar source they have is a quick-sugaring variety and not much of it. I like the screened bottom boards to help minimize hive moisture, which can really be a worse problem than cold temperatures. I have read of some northern climate beekeepers who winter their bees inside buildings, which may be a viable option for warmth and ventilation.

Emi Mack
06-04-2008, 07:30 PM
Moisture has always been a problem for me. I had never even heard of sbb until about three weeks ago, but have since learned from the folks I get my bee supplies from that they use the sbb in New Brunswick year round, even wintering outdoors with greast success! So I definitely am planning on giving it a try.
It's not as cold on Cape Breton as it can get on the mainland, but we do get more damp.

Someone here told me that if I want to winter my bees on their own honey, I should save them honey from the mid summer as the fall honey is made up of a lot of aster nectar, which crystalizes really quickly. Last fall was the first time I DIDN'T give them sugar syrup, but made sure they had plenty of honey stored. I think maybe for this location that was a mistake!
Backyard beekeeping seems to be changing really quickly these days! I'm so glad I found this site and all of it's information resources.

Bee safe, Emi