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Barry
03-28-2008, 09:21 PM
I think Jerry has some well grounded insight about the nature of beekeeping today and what is to come down the road.


http://www.beesource.com/pov/hayes/beeratrace.htm

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Jerry, thanks for providing your monthly service to the beekeeping community; I really enjoyed reading your columns and learn a great deal from the articulate explanations that you provide. I graduated from college awhile back and began working in the corporate world. However, I grew up in a commercial beekeeping family and spent most of my childhood in the beekeeping world.

To make a long story short, I've concluded that I'm not cut out for the cubicle life. I miss the bees, the sunshine, the hard work, and everything else that comes with bees. I've been spending much time lately pondering whether there is a future in commercial beekeeping. You are likely more aware than anyone else how much the game has changed in the past 20 years, with the rise of Varroa, AHB, CCD, and small hive beetle just to name a few. Things are becoming more challenging every day and energy prices will continue to climb, according to all the data I've seen. However, I also see unique new opportunities in the beekeeping industry that didn't previously exist.

My question for you is this: What is your candid outlook for the commercial beekeeping industry the the upcoming years? There are significant new opportunities emerging, especially in pollination, but it seems like every year brings a new form of disease or parasite that threatens the industry. I'm sometimes skeptical that a commercial operation can be viable as they once were. How would you approach this is you were in my position? Thanks a lot Jerry.
- Eric

Eric, I have sat on this for a couple of days just to think about this excellent question. So, here goes and hopefully I won't be too rambling.

This is what I think I know. Unless a meteor hits us or atomic weapons are rained down on us and we have a nuclear winter that will destroy all flowering plants, I think there will always be honey bees. Global warming doesn't count in this doomsday scenario, as it will be a non-event for honey bees generally. Honey bees have seen global warming and ice ages before and survived.

I also think that there will always be part-time or hobby beekeepers because it is just a very interesting hobby or sideline avocation. There will always be a local market for locally produced honey and small truck-farm size pollination opportunities. I think this group can control honey bee pests, parasites and diseases better than full time or commercial beekeepers.

Commercial beekeeping is not beekeeping just like production agriculture is not back yard gardening. Both push production very, very hard. The large tractors, combines and other machinery sold to farmers are tools to push production. In commercial beekeeping the main tool is the honey bee. Honey bees are pushed to enhance production by putting them in boxes designed for the beekeeper, not the bees. They are fed nutritionally incomplete artificial diets. They are exposed to toxic chemicals applied by beekeepers to "control" pests, parasites and diseases that build up in the chemical sponge called beeswax. They are environmental samplers and chemical mops that go outside the colony and bring back all sorts of bad things to expose the colony to. We load them on a semi and expose them to all sorts of stuff on the interstate highway, taking them to new climates and holding yards, which are cauldrons of pest, parasite and disease sharing. Then, we are surprised that they die more often than we would like. And yet, many colonies still survive and the commercial beekeeper can still make a profit. Honey bees are simply amazing. Theoretically, they should all be dead.

The USDA projects that in 5 years or so that perhaps 40% of our veggies will be coming from China and that in 50 years the US could be a net food importer. Not a plan, but it is what it is if no one cares from where his/her food comes. However, there will always be niche agriculture in the US that needs pollination and there will always be some honey production. I think the key to making money from honey is to do a much better job of marketing and merchandising the product. Putting it in a barrel as a low cost commodity is a losing idea for the future. Will the industry look different in the not to distant future? I think so. Are there always those who can turn lemons into lemonade? There sure are. Will we get honey bee pests, predators, and disease under some reasonable management method? Yes, I believe so.

So, Eric, are you a young intelligent, entrepreneurial and hardworking individual or someone who would rather just be a beekeeper because you can take the winters off? Will you put honey in a barrel and sell it to a packer for less than your cost of production? Does loading colonies at 2 a.m. on a truck for apple pollination sound way too hard? Maybe the cubicle life is easier and this is all too risky. Take a close look at Eric and what he wants and needs, as you know him best. I think it can be done, but it takes a smart, hard worker to pull it off.

Oldbee
03-29-2008, 03:35 PM
"The USDA projects that in 5 years "or so" that perhaps 40% of our veggies will be coming from China and that in 50 years the US could be a,...... "net",.food importer".

That's a VERY SCARY,........scenario!!

You mean by the time we "may" become energy [oil],.........independent? We then become,..FOOD,....... dependent???? Say it ain't so!!

I think we can do better! We have plenty of land and recources and we can protect the "environment" at the same time!!

Maybe it's time for some,...........VICTORY GARDENS!

beyondthesidewalks
03-30-2008, 07:23 AM
We see what China has done with adulterated honey and lead paint on toys. I would be hesitant to buy food from China. What a recipe for disaster.

The one benefit of the falling dollar is that it now becomes expensive for other countries to import here. Perhaps we'll get off our seats and make stuff again...

BWrangler
03-30-2008, 09:33 AM
Hi Guys,

The general tone of Jerry Haye's response echoes much of what has been said on Beesource since its beginning. In fact, Beesource was created to provide an avenue for alternative and innovative beekeeping ideas.

What I find so amazing is that the same tone is now being sounded by others in bee government and research. That's a complete turn around. Science, which is pushed in a direction dictated by maximum production at all costs, hasn't produced a better beekeeper or healthier bees. Rather, for most, the results have been completely opposite of that.

But for some, that process has been an education and an incentive to move in another direction. The results have been dramatic. They report healthy bees, few winter losses, long lived queens, clean comb, and great production.

The results between the two directions taken is profound.

Regards
Dennis

sylus p
03-30-2008, 10:21 AM
Oldbee says...
"I think we can do better! We have plenty of land and recources and we can protect the "environment" at the same time!! Maybe it's time for some,...........VICTORY GARDENS! "

Being a newbee I wasn't familiar with the term victory gardens, so I looked it up.

From wikipedia.com:
"Victory gardens, also called war gardens or food gardens for defense, were vegetable, fruit and herb gardens planted at private residences in the United States, Canada, and United Kingdom during World War I and World War II to reduce the pressure on the public food supply brought on by the war effort. In addition to indirectly aiding the war effort these gardens were also considered a civil "morale booster" — in that gardeners could feel empowered by their contribution of labor and rewarded by the produce grown. Making victory gardens became a part of daily life on the home front."


While I don't support the idea of war (in other words, I don't see philosophically how war can bring peace) I have to say that embracing this most ancient of ideas... the home garden... is a wonderful, enlightened idea.

Shapleigh's Bees
03-30-2008, 10:42 AM
Urban Victory Gardens on public property. The folks still squat on it. http://www.fenwayvictorygardens.com/index.html

There are vacancies. Wonder if someone could claim a spot and put hives...

Oldbee
03-30-2008, 03:09 PM
My reference to "Victory Gardens" had nothing to do with the "current" war or any others in the future but with simple, self -reliance/sustainability.

sylus: Thankyou for the reference from WkeePedia; there has been a PBS show on TV. that is still running I believe called "Victory Garden".

Back when, "victory gardens" was first coined as a means to survive a threat, the world was a,...."simpler place", so I have read. Nowadays, people are so "busy" with their careers/jobs and kids going to "practices" they barely have time for a bite to eat at the fast food places, let alone, maintain a home garden.

In some ways we are doing better [around here] with community gardens and people becoming more interested and buying locally produced foods, and doing WITHOUT when out of season.

That statement from the USDA is really scary! I think. I don't know if we can do that; depend on another country for are food! I know others do but not as much as we would have to.

Now I wonder if even "victory gardens" would put a dent in our food needs considering the population we have now.

I don't have an "opinion" about commercial beekeeping/keepers in this regard.

beehoppers
03-30-2008, 07:57 PM
Victory Garden is also a PBS TV garden series and books written to accompany the shows. The books are a favorite reference of mine as they are organized by the month.

sylus p
04-01-2008, 08:41 AM
Oldbee
>>My reference to "Victory Gardens" had nothing to do with the "current" war or any others in the future but with simple, self -reliance/sustainability.

Ditto. Just wanted to make clear my stance on the wikipedia definition.

>>In some ways we are doing better [around here] with community gardens and people becoming more interested and buying locally produced foods, and doing WITHOUT when out of season.

Ditto.

>>Now I wonder if even "victory gardens" would put a dent in our food needs considering the population we have now.

Perhaps rather than just victory gardens, some sort of policy which lifted the tax burden of small and very small farmers? A great many landowners have plots which do not currently qualify for "farm exemptions" beecause they do not encompass a large enough acreage. However, these lands, properly managed, are able to produce huge quantities of food. Many of todays homes, new and old, are on 2-10 acres, may become the small working farms of the future. The vast majority of this acreage is currently maintained as lawn, which is a 100% cost to the homeowner with a 0% return.

I'm not sure how this (widespread small scale farming) would relate to commercial beekeeping either. Perhaps the commercial beekeepers would find themselves selling to a huge population of small scale husbandman. Folks managing not 1000 hives, but 10. Farmers buying not 200 queens, but 20. Agriculture not the profession of specialists, but the calling of generalists.

"The disease of modern man (or society in the plural) is specialization, which causes the breakdown of character and culture through the machine metaphor which places value on organization and efficiency, not on the health and wholeness of the individual and the land."
-Wendell Berry- (full text at http://www.michiganlandtrust.org/compilation/wilderag.html)