Only in California

[jjgbee]

I recently attended a Californa Air Quality Management meeting. AQMD is pushing a proposal that all diesel engines that OPERATE in CA must meet 2007 SMOG standards and 2010 standards in 2010. This means if you haul bees from out of state, your truck must be brand new. Say they can,t do that. This is CA. This reg includes all farm tractors and construction equip. The reg is being opposed by Farm Bureau. Const. industry and ATA. This will be real hard on CA beeks. A fedral judge ruled to shut off water to 27 million people to save an endangered smelt. Love CA. Well anyway if you don,t come to CA, this may result in some real cheap low milage trucks and tractors for the other 49 states.

[Joel]

May be unconstitutional since no state can pass a law which interferes with interstate commerce. Certainly this type of legislation should fall under that title? What about the 1000's of trucks hauling from the ports every day?

[Jeffzhear]

Just something else the lawyers can make a fortune on by arguing forever...at the taxpayers expense.

[Keith Jarrett]

JJGBEE,

Isn't Cailf great. Hey the fuel is cheap too @ 3.70 this week. LOL

[odfrank]

That would make how many tens/hundreds of thousands of trucks illegal in the state. Can't see it happening. I had read some of those laws would first apply to larger fleets of a certain size over a certain amount of years.

[Angi_H]

They would not be able to enforce it for out of state trucks. Only those that are reg and stay in Ca. Becuase they would not be able to do it for trucks that come from Canada or mexico either.

Angi

[tecumseh]

someone wrote:
Isn't Cailf great. Hey the fuel is cheap too @ 3.70 this week. LOL

tecumseh writes:
$3.50 for diesel here in good old Texas... gosh I am just glad I can do what I can to assist in the war profiteering.

I would suspect that any law as to who can and who cannot drive over roads used in interstate commerce and paid for with (partially) federal tax dollars will have a problem in enforcing such a law. I really suspect that 'all motor vehicles' refers to vehicles owned and tagged in california.

[jjgbee]

I see there are non- beleivers here. Air Quality Mgt Dist can do what ever they feel is needed to get to clean air. CA farm bureau ag alert ran a front page article in January on this subject. It featured David Bradshaw , beekeeper and his old, soon to be obsolete truck. They already did this on Ag water pump diesel engines and generator sets. The over the highway trucks are next, including out of state. Then const. equip and farm equip. If you are from CA, Quite saying it can,t happen and get involved. Call your senators and tell them this is crazy. Your taxes already are being used to replace all those pump engines and gen sets. The whole program is estimated to cost 100 Billion dollars. This will be passed on to consumers as higher prices for everything. We can,t even agree on a canal around the delta which only would cost 6 billion that would supply water to 27 million people and most of the farm land in CA. BUT they want to do this.

[Angi_H]

I see there are non- beleivers here. Air Quality Mgt Dist can do what ever they feel is needed to get to clean air. CA farm bureau ag alert ran a front page article in January on this subject. It featured David Bradshaw , beekeeper and his old, soon to be obsolete truck. They already did this on Ag water pump diesel engines and generator sets. The over the highway trucks are next, including out of state. Then const. equip and farm equip. If you are from CA, Quite saying it can,t happen and get involved. Call your senators and tell them this is crazy. Your taxes already are being used to replace all those pump engines and gen sets. The whole program is estimated to cost 100 Billion dollars. This will be passed on to consumers as higher prices for everything. We can,t even agree on a canal around the delta which only would cost 6 billion that would supply water to 27 million people and most of the farm land in CA. BUT they want to do this.

I live in Ca and I know it cant happen. I now people in big places and they say there is no way that the law will effect out of state trucks. Because they are not tagged in Ca. It will only effect rigs that are tagged in Ca or plan on being here longer then a few months. This is what I have been told. And frankly I am sick to death of ca nickle and dimeing us to death. We are the Ag Capital of the world yet they are making it very hard for us to do business. I was just at the HUGE ag Show in Tulare and several of the Higher Ups said it only would effect Ca. As I had asked them my selfs. There is no way they can do that with out federal help. And for trades of goods cross state lines they will not be allowed to do it. Yes it will effect us who live in ca but those that travel trhough on routes to deliver and pick up wont.

[Scut Farkas]

May be unconstitutional since no state can pass a law which interferes with interstate commerce. Certainly this type of legislation should fall under that title? What about the 1000's of trucks hauling from the ports every day?

What about the trucks that now can legally enter the country from Mexico that in many cases don't begin to meet our safety and evironmental standards in the other 49 states, much less CA. NAFTA and the Mexican lobby will probably have Mexican truckers hauling your bee's into Mexico only to have the reenter CA from the south.

[talkingamoeba]

My brother is a diesel truck mechanic and tells me there is a leg. push on for near future to have trucks equipped with emissions sensors which will cause the truck to shut down if it exceeds the standard. The truck would then have to be towed from where it shuts down to the shop.

[loggermike]

Another edict from on high comes down from the goofballs that run this state.Our County Air Quality Dude had the gall to tell the newspaper that there was no real opposition to this.Talk about being out of touch.Maybe its getting close to time for a tea party (first we do an EIR study on the impact of tea on the longfin smelt, then apply for the permits to actually put the tea in the bay).

[cow pollinater]

.Our County Air Quality Dude had the gall to tell the newspaper that there was no real opposition to this.Talk about being out of touch.
In his eyes there probably is no real opposition. Only farmers, truckers beekeepers, dairymen etc. We don't count for anything. He is in touch but it's with the people in S.F., L.A., and San Jose who don't have a clue about what goes on in the rest of the state.

[JohnK and Sheri]

Angi, as an out of stater that takes a truck into CA for only a few weeks or a month at a time, I can tell you they DO make requirements for out of staters, and they DO enforce them. We really cannot even legally come into the state as we can not provide insurance on the forms they require in order to get a motor vehicle permit. We are fully insured to their requirements but our insurance company is one which does not issue insurance on this particular federal form, so we are out of luck. No exceptions. Of course, the state kept our filing fees even though they didn't issue the permit. (Glad to do our part.)

Whether it is constitutional or not isn't the point; we sure aren't going to take it to the Supreme Court. We will, however, cringe when a chips pulls out behind us and hopes she keeps on a goin. We are putting another truck on line this year, and had considered a 2 year old diesel but I think we better stick with new. We sure aren't going to advertise for trouble by having an "old" diesel.
Sheri

[David Stewart]

Commerce clause of the U.S. Constitution will take care of the resto of the world...... That will require a trip to the Supreme Court as I'm certain the Ninth Circuit court in CA will rule it (this proposed law) constitutional. As to you "in staters"....Well, what can I say other than YOU are voting these folks in. If it gets too bad remember there are about 48 other states that would welcome you to relocate provided you when you abandon ship out there, you leave some of those attitudes and undergo a good scrubbing to cleanse you of the "I can't believe you folks allow xxyy here...WE would NEVER allow that in CA".

[dgl1948]

I wonder what they are going to do for food. If you stopped the diesel trucks in this part of the country and I am sure it is the same there, it would not be long before the shelves were bare.

[jjgbee]

Just got home from another Farm Bureau meeting on diesel trucks. A few clarifications. CA can not require trucks from other 48 states, Canada and Mexico to meet this reg. What they are proposing is a fee of $300.00 to $1000.00 per day that the non attaining truck operates is CA. Wow that is a relief. They are thinking of a exemption for trucks than log less than 7500 miles per year. More good news. The general feeling is that your old trade in truck will be worth $00.00. They may require that the engine be destroyed on the trade in. For more info see, www.arb.ca.gov/dieseltruck Get involved, Screem NO MORE.