Nooo! Beesource used as reference for PETA

[Barry]

http://www.peta.org.uk/factsheet/files/FactsheetDisplay.asp?ID=204

:mad:

[ScadsOBees]

I'd read that, but I'm too busy hovering naked over a pasture grazing so that I only eat natural plants and don't kill anything or use animal products. Sure is time consuming, though, and hard to miss all the aphids, and spitting out the poor dears that I accidentally get on the grass.

At least they linked it...could get some good referrals.

Rick

[bettinacharlotta]

Is this a bad thing? Well, I can't read it right now (school network has blocked it for "gruesome content"). I'm a vegetarian and I support most of what peta does, but I don't get why honey isn't considered vegan. Sure, the bees make it, but it's all derived from plants. Isn't that like people making processed food? And are the bees suffering in our care? As long as the bees aren't harmed I think it should be fine. I'm guessing that's what the article has to do with. I'll have to read it when I get home.

[Pooh]

As a beekeeper I love all the misinformation in the article. I have yet to meet or hear of anyone that kills all their bees in the fall. They ban all the hive products but I don't see them asking for you not to eat all the various vegetable/ fruit crops they pollinate.

[George Fergusson]

At least they linked it...could get some good referrals.

We could use some PETA folks around here to beat up.

[Ravenseye]

I always get angry at how manipulative their organization is. Love the reference to "cyanide" and the implication they give it. They sure make the rest of the world look so much better......

[ScadsOBees]

There are plenty of beeks that kill off the bees every fall...you can get 60-100# more honey, don't pay for any treatments, and can charge more for chemical free honey. Most don't, especially not with pollination.

I still wonder about what they do when they get ants or cockroaches in their houses. Can they kill spiders? What about aphids...that organic lettuce is covered with them!!

[Billy Y.]

By clicking that link and adding to thier hit count your are indirectly benefiting PETA.

[Barry]

By clicking that link and adding to thier hit count your are indirectly benefiting PETA.

That's why everyone should go here:

http://www.peta.org/forums/index.asp

and tell the 67 members what you really think!

. . . or, better yet, describe how you steal honey and imprison your bees here:

http://www.peta.org/about/c-contact.asp

[Ian]

>>but it's all derived from plants

So is beef

[Oldbee]

"We could use some PETA folks around here to beat up".-- G. Fergussson

Huh?,... "beat up"?? Tell me about it! You don't even have to be,..."PETA folks",.. and get,... "beat up" on THIS issue,..on,.. Beesource. lol.

The sad thing I see in this is that when some group, organization or individual has something to say that may seem,......"off the wall".....not quite "understandable", etc. on the first look by the 'general' population: example; Native American issues about sports teams names, mascots etc. that some/we may not understand. PETA is an organization that has its "following". It doesn't mean that beekeeping as we know it will be,... "kaput" in,....20-30 years [because of PETA]. How long has PETA been around now? 10-15 years? We are all still able to go to the grocery store [or back yard] and buy steak and chicken and all the other delicious animal products we like to cook on the grill; can't we? Be cool.

[Aspera]

I think that PETA has pretty effectively shown that using the ends to justify the means usually makes you a unmitigated jerk.

[Joel]

"We could use some PETA folks around here to beat up."

I'm afraid to start something with Fergy but I think most of here are already People Eating Tasty Animals? So go ahead buddy, start something!

On the serious note I've deal with these folks and their kin quite frequently. It's amazing that once they drink the cool-aid, otherwise intelligent and articulate people completely loose the ability to excercise logic, reason and restraint and are willing to use what literally amounts to propoganda to further their means.

[Sarge]

I missed the Beesource reference, where was it?

[Hobie]

Footnote #29, or thereabouts.

[Oldbee]

Sarge: "PETA on beekeeping"--mouser. Do a search. That's all I know. 10-11 to 10-15 2007.

[Ruben]

Forgive me for being stupid but that does stand for People Eating The Animals correct? :)

[Oldbee]

Ruben. It could be,......."the animals". Most refer to it as ,..people,P. eating E,.."tasty" T animals, A. You see?,..PETA.

Why do I get so involved in this silly issue [PETA] and its relation to beekeeping??

PLEASE! Somebody,.. slap me NOW!,, Before Barry puts me in,. the "doghouse",..again. Be cool.

[ScadsOBees]

I really really want to tell them about the beehive I'm adopting from a tree, but don't want the dubious honor of being a PETA registered user....

http://www.peta.org/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35

[deknow]

I think that PETA has pretty effectively shown that using the ends to justify the means usually makes you a unmitigated jerk.

...are you saying that it's the "ends and means" that are used to make jerky (slim jim)?

deknow

[high rate of speed]

Love robbing honey,just doesnt pay,might as well make another movie.Instead of the BEE MOVIE we can call it the BEE BANDITS.

[phil c]

Theres a place on earth for all gods creatures,
right next to the potatoes and gravy!

I personally think that Ingrid Newkirk and the rest of the PETA clan are a bunch of self serving, idiotic, self indulgent, predjudiced, cowards!

I worked in the Animal Control field for 7 years and during that time I got to deal with alot of the PETA people and their ilk. These idiots will will use whatever method they can to twist an issue to their point of veiw, and if the truth or someones reputation gets in the way that is just to bad.
If you ever want to see somthing scary, peruse through a Peta magazine or check out Peta kids. they even preach ways to try to disgrace your grandparents and other family members at a Thanksgiving dinner for not serving their idea of acceptable fare.

[Hawaii Varroa Hunter]

The worst part is i have to continue to fight to preserve their right of freedom of speech. its like they just get bored and find something or someone out of the deep blue sky to twist words and make into the bad guy

[tecumseh]

well we certainly have a bunch of sour pusses here... now don't we. now what does peta stand for... people for the ethical treatment of animals. sounds pretty good to me.... I mean what do we have here the world's collection of dog beaters and cat snuffers. for myself the rub (as it ususally the case) is typically in the application and the idea that the ends justify the means is an excellent strategy for a tyrant but not so good for free people.

I would tell you all that the unintended consequence of peta is that they have limited a great deal of unnecessary and often time extreme cruel research on a lot of university campus.

[nc_beekeeper]

I would tell you all that the unintended consequence of peta is that they have limited a great deal of unnecessary and often time extreme cruel research on a lot of university campus.



The bad certainly outweighs the good they have done........

[Primo]

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

[Billy Y.]

well we certainly have a bunch of sour pusses here... now don't we. now what does peta stand for... people for the ethical treatment of animals. sounds pretty good to me.... I mean what do we have here the world's collection of dog beaters and cat snuffers. for myself the rub (as it ususally the case) is typically in the application and the idea that the ends justify the means is an excellent strategy for a tyrant but not so good for free people.

I would tell you all that the unintended consequence of peta is that they have limited a great deal of unnecessary and often time extreme cruel research on a lot of university campus.

And lets not forget all they money they have made while doing it!

[ScadsOBees]

I would tell you all that the unintended consequence of peta is that they have limited a great deal of unnecessary and often time extreme cruel research on a lot of university campus.

What's this now? PETA is against fraternities?

[Brent Bean]

Ethical treatment of animals? Who wouldn’t be for that? Unless your Michael Vick. It’s to bad they are a bunch of extreme hypocrites, they are happy to take money from caring pet owners because they happen to view one of their disturbing videos of a animal being skinned alive. But think that nobody should own any kind of pet. And all animals should just be able to run free and happy. They would be willing to let 70% of the human population starve as long as it wasn’t them, they are also willing and do tell bold face lies to propagate their ideals. The best way to discredit them is to give them a soap box, anyone with any sense will soon see them for what they are, Fools!

[Hill's Hivery]

Man I never thought of it that way. Here I was always thinking that we were helping. I guess I shouldn't "cage" my tomatoes this year either. I bet "picking" the fruit also hurts the plant. I think I will wait to eat the tomatoes that naturally fall of the vine so as not to harm the plant.

Geeesh... what next!

PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals!:D

[Ruben]

Hill -come on now you would not dare eat the fruit of life to the next generation of the tomato plant would you? If you do though please do not eat it in the garden where the plant will be forced to watch. :)

[tecumseh]

nc beekeeper writes:
The bad certainly outweighs the good they have done........


tecumseh sezs:
well I don't know about that... like many things of this world it is the double edge of the knive that cuts and thus the word 'unintended'. which does suggest that I don't realy think that the PETA folks were smart enough to figure out their impact ahead of the game...

as to peta creating a scene to boost funds from a poorly informed public ... I am certain they are not the only outfit to have ever done that.... matter of fact it ain't such a bad policy that before you give money to any organization, ask yourself first if the money is actually going to address the problem or to boost the impact for the next fund raising event or to pay for someone within the organization lavish life style***.

***a measure of this is to go look at the organizations offices. my philisophy is when I see offices at some fancy street address, with raised wood panel from the front door to the back, and plush leather seats and fine wood desk. I simple will choose to give my meager funds somewhere that they will utilize those funds for the stated purpose of the organization.