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BjornBee
06-27-2006, 01:16 PM
Do you find that numering the frames keeps them in order, and is this important? Or do they just get switched around with manipulations? I'm thinking that a little more care with free hanging comb might in order??? Any thoughts?
Thank you.

Dave W
06-27-2006, 02:05 PM
All of my frames are numbered. Its helpful in keeping track of things like age and foundation type. I scribed "Fr1, Fr2" etc into top bar using an engraving tool intended for metal. They do get "switched around", and keeping them in order can sometimes be important. "Special" frames (unwired and/or no founation) could be marked w/ a thumb tack making you aware they need "special handling".

Michael Bush
06-27-2006, 07:40 PM
I numbered mine 1,2,3,4 and then when I inserted a frame between 2 and 3 and numbered it 2a etc. I suppose I could have done the programmer's line number method and numbered them 10, 20, 30, 40 and then put 25 between 20 and 30. smile.gif

I think it helps to put them back where you got them. A wave in one comb carries through several others. A comb that gets off center a little pushes the next comb over. Mixing them up can result in comb touching comb and getting attached.

Chris M
06-28-2006, 01:30 PM
I spray-painted all the tops of one end because in the excitement of looking at them I forget which side was which in the hive.

Dave W
06-28-2006, 01:54 PM
Mine are numbered on one end so I can't "forget which side was which in the hive". smile.gif

Jim Fischer
06-28-2006, 02:27 PM
I never numbered, I just ran a diagonal stripe
across the brood-chamber frame top-bars, and
that kept things easy.

But then I realized that the bees really only
cared about the relative position of the actual
brood area frames, so I stopped marking frames,
and started looking at the extent of the brood
area itself.

Once the weather is warm, and colony population
is strong, there's no harm in even the level of
manipulation practiced by Walt Wright - his
approach ("Checkerboarding") suggests that the
beekeeper shuffle frames like a Las Vegas
blackjack dealer.

Jim Fischer
06-28-2006, 02:31 PM
One other thing - I do put colored (flat)
thumbtacks in each frame to track the age
of the comb.
Queen colors, of course.
Same scheme.

This year, I pulled and replaced all the frames
with white thumbtacks with reworked frames that
also had white thumbtacks. With 2 frames replaced
each year per brood chamber, I completely replace
all the brood comb every 5 years, and no one frame
of comb is older than 5 years before it gets
melted down and cleaned up/reworked.

It may not be for everyone, but it is foolproof
and requires no boring record-keeping, as the
frames are self-documenting.

BjornBee
06-28-2006, 03:34 PM
Jim, 2 frames per year.....all frames exchanged in 5 years....that means you have 10 frames(bars) in your tbh??? I assume your talking about a standard hive with ten frames, with regards to this thread focused on tbh's. Of course I started the thread mentioning "frames" and I am surprised some technical anal minded type has not called me out on that fact. Sorry if I confused anyone.

Jim Fischer
06-28-2006, 06:50 PM
> ..that means you have 10 frames(bars) in your tbh?

I don't run TBH hives, as the bees just don't care
what sort of box they are given, and my view of
"alternative" hive designs is rather harsh as a
result.

> I started the thread mentioning "frames" and I
> am surprised some technical anal minded type has
> not called me out

Yeah, I assumed that when you said "frames"
you meant "frames", rather than top-bar-hive
top-bars. Either way, recycling comb is not
optional. One needs a system to manage it
and assure that no combs are overlooked.

peggjam
06-28-2006, 07:04 PM
"I don't run TBH hives, as the bees just don't care
what sort of box they are given, and my view of
"alternative" hive designs is rather harsh as a
result."

Gosh Jim, an here I was thinking you were giving natural cell a try finally!!

limulus
06-30-2006, 05:14 AM
I number my frames, front to back with a sharpie. If I rearrange the bars I cross out the numbers and write new ones in. The numbers help me to remember what I have done as far as bar insertions, rearrangements, etc.. They also help me to maintain alignment so that I do not reverse any bars as I place them back into the hive. When my bars are covered with crossed out numbers I guess I will just paint the tops and start over.