DE hive

[ozzy]

Has anyone used a d. e. hive? 11 frames in a square box with some sort of ventilated cover.

[brent.roberts]

I started with a singel DE hive. Micheal Bush has a few of them too.

It has several advantages over the traditional hive.
1) the frames and supers are smaller and easier to lift.

2) it has a unique style of frame support that reduces propolis binding everything together.

3) the ventilation system is wonderful and seems to help bees more productive. I got great harvests the first year. Dave Eyre, (hence DE Hive ) the designer, has had phenominal large harvests of over 300 lbs per hive.

Having said all that the disadvantage is that nothing in the world fits it. No frames, covers, division boards, cloak boards, screened bottom boards, feeders ... nothing. You get what David makes or what you make an that's it. At last check David did not even offer a screened bottom.

I have switched to Beemax hives and modified them to get ventilation similar to the DE hive.

If it intrigues you get one. You will learn something about ventilation. His prices are very resonable for what you get. He makes them all by himself in his garage. If you're aging and lifting a super is becoming a problem, you'll love them.

[ December 26, 2006, 05:23 PM: Message edited by: brent.roberts ]

[Michael Bush]

A search on DE Hives shows:
http://www.beesource.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000194.html
http://www.beesource.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000056.html
http://www.beesource.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000367.html


Here's what I like about the DE hive:

o It has good ventilation (but you can use the Langstroth kit to provide this for your Langstroth hive)

o It has the frames running so you can stand behind it to work it. (but you can get this in a Langstroth by using the kit)

o It has a system that almost eliminates having to break frames loose. This keeps the bees calmer, especially when working the brood chamber. (this you cannot get by using the Langstroth kit)

o It is nice dimensions from the bee's perspective. It's a square box and has 11 frames that the queens fills out nicely. (this you cannot get from a standard Langstroth hive)

o The frame design is very light, very strong and very good at keeping the foundation straight in the frame. I wish I could get such well designed frames for a Langstroth.

o The DE frames are really light to handle.

o The DE frames are dimensions such that you almost never have to use a capping scratcher.

o The long end bars are really nice for handling the frames, especially when you're extracting but also when you're working a hive.


What I don't like about the DE hive:

o My biggest irritation is that it is not a standard size. This is no end of frustration when you see something really useful, but it won't work with them. Like a nice triangular bee escape or a top feeder or a bound queen excluder. I get around it a lot by building things that are universal. e.g. a bottom board with 1 1/2" edges instead of 3/4" that is sized long enough for a Lang. I can put either a Langstroth or a DE on it. I built several adapters and often mix the DE supers and Langstroths. Also since it's not standard I can't buy stuff already assembled when I'm short of supers or hives and don't have time to build them.

o There's this space around the ends of the top bars, that the bees can't get to when the hive is closed. The purpose is to keep the bees from propolizing the ends of the bars. My problem with them is the bees run into them when I have the hive open and I can't get them out. Shades of the Arizona, they get trapped in there when I put the covers back on or a super on.

o I did have to modify my extractor to fit them. Maybe some wouldn't but the top part of the rack was spaced too far, so I had to get three threaded rods and replace the ones that came with the extractor. Now it works for either DE's or Langstroths.

o The long end bars (which are so nice to handle) stick down more so you can't have as much honey in the tank before they hit the honey and bog down the motor.

o It takes practice to not knock off the little plastic spacers on the ends of the bars when you're uncapping. It's kind of frustrating to be looking through a bunch of cappings for missing ones.

As you can see there's more I like than don't, but the big problem is the non-standard size.