mixing lactic acid and oil

[bobbb]

Have a fogger, lactic acid which is 88% pure. Going to try a mixture what would be a good starting point.Also may try thymol with this fogger is anyone trying this.

[Juandefuca]

Hi bobbbb
You may do what you like to experiment with ,BUT you are on your own ! Personally I would like to see the results of your experiments , just do not point fingers to anyone else if it turns out to a dud.
JDF

[Kurt Bower]

Hi Bobbb:
I am unsure of where you are getting your information from, but I have not seen any studies or trials done involving lactic acid or thymol and fogging.
I am with Juandefuca in saying best of luck but you are on your own.
I personally have tried Dr. Rodriguez's FGMO-Thymol emulsified cords and can attest that this is an effective method.
Kurt Bower
Julian, NC USA

[Dr. Pedro Rodriguez]

Hello folks.
Since the beekeeping season is almost over I would like to suggest to those interested in FGMO-Thymol use to wait until I am finished with this years's trial. I will be publishing my results soon and as usual, you will be beneficiaries of my findings. Looking good!
Hoping to meet many of you at my presentations this month, and why not?, next year's.
Have a wonderful day.
Dr. Rodriguez

[bobbb]

Kurt I have also tried and are doing the fgmo thing with fair results.Labour and time is a problem with this. Looking for a more efective treatment. Using minerial oil and latic acid now with promising rsults.Tried oxial acid with fair results also.

[Kurt Bower]

Bobbb:
Keep up the good work and keep us posted.
I see you are from Canada, so I assume you are pretty well prepared for the winter.
I look forward to Dr. R's continued progress reports and hope they are of use to you personally.
Kurt

[bobbb]

Here is some results of the test with lactic acid and minerial oil fogging.Four days ago fogged with the mixture in 12 hour period got 145 mites after the treatment.Did same thing this time and got 55 mites in 12 hour.May try same treatment tonight to see mite drop.May try one of the comercial treatments to check mite drop to compare. The bees seem to tolerate this tratment with the same results as FGMO fogging.They calm down in about the same time.If anyone got some helpful advice how I may proceed from here I will acept it.Curious if bees get a lot of this acid it will harm them. Also is it possible the mites get resistant.

[Michael Bush]

>Four days ago fogged with the mixture in 12 hour period got 145 mites after the treatment.
What is the mixture? What amounts of what? What is the normal drop for your hives for FGMO by itself?

>Did same thing this time and got 55 mites in 12 hour.

Probably because there are less mites, but it could also just be chance or other variations from weather to wind direction.

>May try one of the comercial treatments to check mite drop to compare.

Try it on what to compare it to what? You could try it on the one you treated to see if there is a lot more drop with the commercial treatment. You could try another hive, but then how do you know the other hive wasn't just more infested or less infested?

>The bees seem to tolerate this tratment with the same results as FGMO fogging.They calm down in about the same time.If anyone got some helpful advice how I may proceed from here I will acept it.

If you're not getting dead bees it sounds like you're on the right track. Another issue is the corrosivness of the organic acids on the fogger.

>Curious if bees get a lot of this acid it will harm them.

Perhaps, if it does, it will be noticeable enough to observe. Perhaps it won't be enough to be noticable but it could still harm them. Take a look a the brood, if there is any, in a few days and make sure it looks healthy.

>Also is it possible the mites get resistant.
Again, time will tell. This has been discussed on here whether a mite can get resistant to an organic acid. I'm guess probably not.