View Full Version : Breeder Queen versus a "regular" queen?
Why is it better to use a purchased breeder queen for queen rearing, rather than a queen that was purchased from someone who produces their queens from a breeder queen?
Chef Isaac
05-08-2006, 06:43 PM
I think it matters depending on how serious you are into breeding. If you sell your queens or this is your buisiness, than yes, it is good to get a breeder queen.
But for the backyard beekeeper wanting to raise some queens, it is not nessasary to spend the money. Just find a hive that has the traits you like be it honey production, hygenics, temperment, etc. and than graft from there.
Michael Bush
05-08-2006, 07:48 PM
Breeder queens are always evaluated over some period of time and often are II. It's not necessarily "better" but the results are more predictable.
wayacoyote
05-09-2006, 12:04 AM
Bean,
Also, there's a lot of mongrelization going on in my personal view. The first bees introduced were black germans as I understand it. Recently Italians seem to be the breed of choice. Then we try Russians. It is getting harder and harder and, I feel comfortable saying, nearly impossible to find a pure race in the wild. Some in Europe are working hard to preserve the historic genetic lines. And each time a neighbor buys an out-of-town queen, your breeding efforts are further muddled.
So having a breeder queen with a pedigree has some significance to keeping the races distinguished where their individual characteristics can be recognized and exploited. (I'll give you a moment to reflect on the various dog breeds and their characteristics.)
Now, on a totally different approach, I also see validity to breeding from totally feral bees. There's a breed of wild dog found in the Carolinas that developed itself as a recognized breed. Assuming microevolution is at work, aggressively breeding from strong feral stock should result in bees who are more qualified to work a geographic area than bees outside that geographic area. Straightly put: not all areas experience the same types of flows, the save severity of weather.
For either approach, pedigree is the focus. One is a pedigree of garanteed known genetics (AI). Another is a pedigree of garanteed unknown origins (not crossed with recently immigrated bees by mating in vastly remote locations).
Waya
wayacoyote
05-09-2006, 12:06 AM
I'll add that, as Michael put it, the breeder queens are always evaluated over some period of time, but the conditions underwhich they are evaluated may not match yours as a beekeeper.
Waya
BerkeyDavid
05-09-2006, 10:33 AM
IMO Genetics, genetics, genetics. If I get a breeder queen it will be an II queen. Other queens will have bred randomly so you don't really know what you are getting unless from isolated yard.
Thank you all for your very informative answers.