Monetary Support ??

[Sharkey]

Barry,
Does this site cost you money ??
The reason I am asking is so that we maybe could help if you need it. This site is without a doubt the best I have ever seen.

As many of US as there are, nobody would have to give very much before whatever cost there is should be covered.

I don't mean to speak out of line. Just trying to help.



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[chemistbert]

I would cough up some green if it meant helping out the site. I have learned an absolute ton from you folks.

[honeyman46408]

SAME HERE !!!!!

[chemistbert]

Where is this site run out of anyways?

[Sharkey]

BBBBBAAAAAARRRRRRRYYYYYY ?????????

aaaaaalllllllllllllooooooooooo????????

hehe

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[Barry]

> Does this site cost you money ??

You bet it costs me money.

> we maybe could help if you need it.

My past experience would indicate that few, if any, ever part with the green stuff. Even when there was a beekeeper out East in need after having his hives vandalized and this was his income to support his family with kids, little was raised. The idea that a large number of people would give just a little, isn't reality. 10 percent always do 90 percent of the work. 90 percent are along for the ride.

There are things I'd like to do with the site, but it all costs money and I can't afford to keep sinking money into it without it at least paying for itself.

James Urbish
> Who is the head pistachio in this nut house anyway.

That would be Brazil nut and that would be me.

> when and where is the first meeting?

Like the ratio above, I only received a handful of replies from members indicating they were serious about attending a meeting/get-together. Had there been a serious turnout of interest, I would have pursued it.

chemistbert
> Where is this site run out of anyways?

It's hosted in a Chicago suburb.

- Barry

[Daisy]

Barry

The reason why you don't have support money to help pay for this site is not because folks like Billy Bob and I didn't offer to put something together for us,,, it's because You said it was always a ?Free? site and that's the way it should remain???

Soooooo

What else could we do?

When you put up the chat room, BB and I were prepared to buy the software that added frills to the chat room. It could have been used to feature beekeepers and their operations, for a specified time, and for a fee.

If you're gonna lay down, don't blame the world for walkin on ya.

[Daisy]

Barry, that wasn't the Only ideas I came up with.

When you said "no", this dried up the creativity and desire.

Have it your way.

[Michael Bush]

I have, on rare occasions, paid to participate in a web site. They have almost always been dissapointing. I no longer pay for any.

If this site would have required a paid subscription, I would not have gotten involved, not becuase it isn't worth it, but because I wouldn't KNOW that it was worth it.

I believe that one reason for the success of this site IS that it's free.

On the other hand, I would think donations couldn't hurt.

[Daisy]

MB, but this site isn't free...

There's nothing for free...

There are ways to gain compensation where each benefits...

Barry allows dealers, supply companies, and major bee operations to sponser in exchange for exposure on the site.

In the chat room, I envisioned different participants being allowed to put up a picture of their choice, with admin approval of course.

Maybe this person lives in Kansas City and likes to sell their honey at the County Farmers Market as being without pesitcides or whathave u. They could put up a picture of the jar of honey and a quip.... Give Barry a sum for allowing it to be up for a week or whathave u.

The chat room software has a feature that allows these items to be flashed or what have u.

Where there's the will, there's a way.

Die Hard.

[ox]

I've been very disappointed in commercial sites also BUT I have participated in sites that have a simple "pay pal" donation button unobtrusively displayed on the page. Check out http://www.groklaw.net for an example.

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[Barry Digman]

So someone post an address where we can send donations. Or a PayPal account. Or wiring instructions to the Swiss numbered bank account. I don't care, just give with the information so we can cut the chatter and fill the bucket.

[Daisy]

Hello Ox

Absolutely, and

Barry could farm out some of the admin/webmaster duties.

[chemistbert]

I think that is what was meant in the first place. Paid subscription would make most folks go elsewhere. Donations are just that. Of course I would gladly pay to continue to have access to Mr. Bush's brain.

[Daisy]

MB, Your contribution to this website has been invaluable to the visitors.

And worth more then anything I could pay.

Without folks like you, this site would dry up.

You have kept it prospering.

[Rooster4473]

I wouldn't mind throwing in a donation here and there, I'm usually broke, but thats cuz I spend money on stupid stuff. At least I get something out of this.

[Sharkey]

How did this turn into a semi-hostile post ?? All I wanted to do was HELP Barry out with a little cash, and if anybody else WANTED to help, they could too.

I never intended for anybody to misconstrue what I had said into something about a PAY site.

Barry, sorry if I tipped over the hive on this one. Just reminds me of one of my favorite sayings: "No good deed shall go unpunished".

Sharkey

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[Barry Digman]

In case you haven't explored this site, here's a picture of Barry. It spooked me cuz I have the same haircut, glasses, shirt, and first name. There's a link somewhere to his company and his brother. Maybe I'll send a few bucks there.
http://www.beesource.com/begin.htm

[Daisy]

Sharky

If all you wanna do is give Barry some cash then for the Love of God, Just Do It!

My Gawd!

[Rooster4473]

>>How did this turn into a semi-hostile post ??<<

I thought this post was auctually going well, but I must admit, Sharkey, you do seem to have a tendency to cause controversey http://www.beesource.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Sharkey]

Daisy,
You know... you just don't pay attention very well, or the facts just seem to escape you.

It seems in this case, to have escaped your notice that although I HAVE ASKED several times, NOBODY has told me how or where to send any money. So chill out, please maam.

Rooster..... it just seems to be my lot in life. lol

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[Sharkey]

Coyote,
Barry also bears an uncanny resemblance to Chief Doug Swing of the Crestview Fire Dept. He taught our Firefighter 1 course.

Maybe the boy jes gits around a lot !! Or his daddy did.

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[twlankford]

Daisy. Your response to this particular post is completely inappropriate. I don't understand where this burr up your butt came from, but it is completely out of character for you. Most of us understand that Sharkey was just trying to help Barry out. I would suggest that if any future posts of your's have this air about them, that you not post them. None of us want to here it. Now, if you want to launch a attack on me, go right ahead. I am definitely not one that will, as you say, "lay down." So go right ahead.

[swarm_trapper]

hey barry, why not get a couple companies like mann lake, dadant ect. to put a couple adds on the fourum? just a thought and i dont think any one would mind i would actually like it.

[Daisy]

"I HAVE ASKED several times,"

Well Sharkey, looks like I've raised some eyebrows... lol

I sure didn't mean to get anyone flared up.

Ok here's the scoop.....

Barry has an email. All's you have to do is email him for the skinny on the subject.

I chimed in on this post because when Barry set up the chat room feature, I really felt that was a great opportunity for this site to generate some support income.

When we got some things thought through, the decision came down to file the ideas.

It's still not to late.... ;0)

Blunt.

[BULLSEYE BILL]

I owe this site and the people here quite a bit. I spoke to Steve at Brushy Mt. the other day and he told me that he had at least twenty telephone calls about my problem with the extractor and even had one man come from Virginia to see him face to face!

Steve has been great. He even called me to suggest that I use the old bent tank for a honey storage tank and wanted to send me a honey gate for free. I did finally get him to agree to let me buy a set of legs for the tank.

When I find the origonal post I will tell the rest of the story. I am sure that Steve will appreciate that too.

[Daisy]

I wouldn't mind seeing some bells and whistles either.

But I don't like pop ups.

PLEASE Barry, NO POP UPS!

LOL

[chemistbert]

Aren't beekeepers supposed to be the calm sort? Wow...

[scottr]

I would be happy to provide support to the site. I gain more knowledge from this site in a minute than I could ever get out of any book. Particular thanks to MB - simply outstanding.

Daisy, chill a little, relax, drink some mead.

[DRJCKB]

This is a really cool site-- I am just curious what the cost is to maintain it? I am certain designing it would have been costly... just curious about monthly maintenance?

D

[Sharkey]

Seems to be the $64,000 question. And I guess if we were supposed to know, Barry would have told us by now. lol I have certainly asked enough. I ain'ta gonna do it no mo !!! :->


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[Daisy]

Hi Scottr...

I had the pleasure of trying mead for the first time last week... thx to another beekeeper located close to me.

;0)

It was very good.

But I couldn't drink very much of it. It's pretty rich... and I don't use much alcohol unless for making tinctures..

Chill? What's that?

[BULLSEYE BILL]

>;0)

>It was very good.

Yes it was, next time we should stop after the second bottle huh?

>Chill? What's that?

That's what some people do to their mead, serious medievalists never chill their mead.

[DRJCKB]

http://www.beesource.com/ubb/smile.gif LOL

[Daisy]

http://rense.com/

Barry, here's an example of a popular website to offer ideas regarding how to set up sponsers etc.

Hi Bullseye....

How didja like Shawn Mullins and Jonny Lang?

;0)

[topbarguy]

Greetings,

Daisy wrote:
>MB, but this site isn't free...
>There's nothing for free...

>There are ways to gain compensation where >each benefits...

>Barry allows dealers, supply companies, >and major bee operations to sponser in >exchange for exposure on the site.

There's nothing for free? Well it sure is here on beesource. Come on now! Who has paid anything to use this site? How many sponsers have you seen? Where are the banner adds? Where's the popup adds? Where are the tracking cookies?

Lets get real. Barry did have a link for Amazon. How many books have you ordered through that link? How much money has Barry made? He told me and it doesn't even cover half the cost of registering this domain name for a year!

Barry isn't on the site as much as in the past. He is scrambling to make a living after a major change in his life. I have approached Barry privately and suggested that he set up a PayPal account for donations. He has refused, so far.

I also know that the software for this site is antiquated. The isp that runs Barry's server is complaining about the software. It's text based and not database driven. An upgrade is sorely needed. But I know Barry doesn't have the money for it or the time to migrate this sites look and feel to other software.

Rather than roll over, Barry and others, primarily his brother, have sacrificed to keep this site going. Had I been in Barry's situation, this site would probably have been rolled over to a free Yahoo group with all the commercial baggage.

Come on Barry, it's time. Set up a paypal account where members can contribute what they feel the site is worth to them. Put a paypal button on the major pages. Have a contribution week like public TV.

And if enough members think it's work the cost of a soda and contribute, then maybe enough resources would be available to at least pay for the other half of the domain name :> )

How many people would contribute at least a dollar?

I have belonged to most of the other free B groups. Most of them are very narrowly focused. Some are dominated by a few overbearing personalities. Others are as dead as stone.

Beesource is the Super Center Walmart of beekeeping lists. I find myself spending more time on beesource and much less time on the others. Here I can browse through a wide assortment and choose what I want. It's the best of the internet.

Regards
Dennis


[This message has been edited by topbarguy (edited June 26, 2004).]

[Daisy]

http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/subst/fx/help/how-we-know.html/103-2859937-3783844

Hi Dennis........

What about this?

An example of how another uses this....
http://www.candlegrove.com/today.html

look to stage lower right....

see the dollar button?

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[DRJCKB]

Not looking a gift horse in the mouth...

I think this site must be based on a pre-packaged templet? I went to a poultry site, and it is almost exactly the same as this site... the setup, use, options, etc--

http://www.poultryconnection.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=605776dc0b6a9a4180e799b8b5f7c869

[Daisy]

http://www.womenof.com/Articles/p011000.asp

See icon on right......

[nickoli]

i also would be happy to chip in some cash to help out this site, get me the paypal info and it will be on it way.

[Scotty]

DRJCKB:

That particular website isn't the same as BeeSource. It's based off of PHPBB which is a Database driving Forum. I believe this one is text file based.

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Weekly progress of my hive(s): http://bees.total-x.org

[Barry Digman]

Look at the very bottom of this page. See the faint wording? Click on the link and you can check out Infopop. They're the ones who sell the software this forum runs.

[Sharkey]

You are all coming up with great ideas. However, it seems top me that the one thing that is lacking is........ Barry.

SO until he says yea or nay. We are pretty much stuck, wouldn't you say ??

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[Oxankle]

Wow, Daisy;

You done kicked over a bucket of sour mash. Good thing I have to go build hive stands or I might be tempted to comment.

Got a place to put bees in a watermelon patch edged with white sweet clover and alfala with soybeans across a ditch. Oh, the agony of it all.
Oxankle

Ox

[nursebee]

Interesting posts. I would consider donating some money (something similar to a year magazine subscription) but I have not yet donated to any online groups or causes.

Seems like their are people that want to contribute now but do not know an address. Should I post mine? http://www.beesource.com/ubb/smile.gif

It was interesting to read the link that had a brief Barry bio and pic.

[chemistbert]

The man has a right to do whatever he wants with this site. If he refuses our offers then that is his choice. I respect a person who does not want help. I have had to scratch for everything I have (not alone I am sure) and if he wants the satisfaction of doing it his way all the way then we should all just enjoy the site and say thank you, Barry. So... Thank you for a wonderful site Barry.

[Flewster]

I have learned a lot from this site also....I would be willing to chip in now and again but I feel that if you make it a requirement to pay that this site would dry up like MB said and this valuable site would be useless then......on the other hand who has some items to donate for an EBAY auction to raise some cash for Barry and the upgrades?

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[topbarguy]

Hi Guys,

Barry's been working out of town but should be back shortly.

Regards
Dennis

[Sharkey]

Kewel :->

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[Barry]

> Come on Barry, it's time. Set up a paypal account

Hi Dennis -

From the little time I've had to look into this, I think PayPal is the way to go. I will add it to the list of things to do to the website.

- Barry

[Terri]

Yes, DO set it up!

This site has ALSO saved me money, and I really do not mind chipping in.

On public TV, they let people know when it is time to send in money. Why don't you just make a general announcement when it is time for people to contribute? Then, when THAT money runs low, let us know again!

[This message has been edited by Terri (edited July 01, 2004).]

[chemistbert]

Knowing that most folks would not donate, the money would always be low. But any cash is better than a poke in the eye.