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RKeith
05-08-2006, 09:37 PM
First off, I would like to give a profound thank you to the collective community throughout these boards, for the hundreds of informative posts and comments that I have read and learned from in the past several months. I feel like I have been exposed to some sort of crash course in bee-keeping.

I purchased an Italian package this year, my first personal bees [though I have been exposed to them through my grandfather as a child and a young teen doing the 'back-work' for him, I really did not "learn" anything other than he would pay me to move this here or there smile.gif ] This particular batch has been extremely cooperative and peaceful to deal with since early April and have made my entrance into keeping bees very pleasant. Thus far, all has been very Zen-like in the backyard.

A co-worker called me Saturday afternoon and told me that a largish swarm had landed on his trampoline and would I come get it [he is deathly afraid of bees.] I did not really want to expand to a two-hive operation yet : I am still learning, but I figured a free hive to experiment on would be nice, and after seeing much about top bar hives here and there, thought this would be an ideal chance to see if I preferred a TBH or a Langstroth hive.

More than anything else, it was because I had some spare lumber in the workshop, enough to make a kenyan style TBH, but not much time to refine it. It's a simple, bang up job, pretty much 1x12 sloped sides & 1x6 bottom [like an old fashioned feed bin] with bars/strips 1-1/2" wide situated across the top much like a piano keyboard. I currently have an old sheet of tin atop to keep out the elements and a weight atop that until I can buy or make a better cover. Hole bored in one end for an entrance, and I tacked up a landing board for them at the entrance. So a bare minimum, primitive hive - but I was pressed for time.

Now, with most of the introductory visualization out of the way: some general questions that I would deeply appreciate your view on.

(1) How much of a problem is inter-hive robbing when you are maintaining multiple hives? Is there any special considerations I need to keep in mind with having two different hives in the same general area? [They are six feet apart at the moment with no obstructions between them, each slightly angled off the morning sun.]

(2) The TBH knock-up that I built seems to have been accepted by the swarm I captured. How soon should I begin looking into it to see the inevitable cross-comb I am sure I will find or otherwise check on them? Would 3 days be too soon? And what problems should I expect or anticipate with this simple arrangment? [Foraging apears to be very, very heavy at this time, at least watching my already established hive it appears that way.]

(3) The swarm I captured is markedly more agressive and inquisitive to me wandering near it than the packaged Italians I ordered who completely ignore me, even when inspecting. They look very very similar [the "feral" ones are a deep tawny golden color, however.] I thought most feral bees were sort of darker? Could they be ill natured because they were starting to starve? I put a sandwich baggy of sugar water in their hive and they seem to have become a lot more docile.

Your advice and comments deeply appreciated:

xC0000005
05-08-2006, 09:57 PM
If I'm hungry, I'm grouchy. My bees are no different. If they don't shape up though, squish the queen and feed them a new one.

wayacoyote
05-08-2006, 11:03 PM
Congrats RKeith,

First, I find it much, much less work and more than relivant to keep more than one hive at a time. With one hive, any problems are HUGE! With more than one hive, the other(s) serve as a back-up, a comparison, etc... I've likened it to keeping an aquarium. Too often, beginners go with the small 10 gallon setups thinking "smaller is easier" and not willing to invest in the larger setups until they are "experienced." Many of us see it the other way around. Smaller aquariums require more monitoring and finess. A small problem in a small container is a huge problem. A small problem in a huge container is a small problem. I think beekeeping is the same. So I applaud you for going with 2.

Answers:
1) If you look at the "L-Z" hives kept in Europe, you'll see them stacked ontop of each other and crammed side-by-side. They, in fact, build a wall out of beehives. As long as you're keeping good, healthy, strong hives and being mindful of what factors create robbing conditions, you'll have few problems. Right now, with hives just starting out, you might reduce their "hive space" with follower boards and reduce the entrance. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, but the distance between hives is not a concern for me.

2a)I would treat it like a "hived package" and give it nearly a week before checking. The idea is that I want them to have time to build comb, get eggs in there, and have hatched larvae to "hold" them from abscombing.

2b)The only problem I would expect is some cross combing. If you remove the back bars first, you can peek in, when you Do check, to see which way the combs are running. Use a sharp knife to cut down between bars just in case. And salvage comb with thread or string to tie them back in proper order. Are you using a follower board?

3)Good guess with the crankiness from hunger. With a reduced entrance to prevent robbing, you could offer syrup inside the hive. I've hived some very angry swarms only to have them cool off once they got settled and had their tummies filled. I've learned to take full advantage of the spritz bottle to feed the swarm before trying to collect them, making sure they are filled to the brim. It's often reported that second-generation queens (mother was store-bought) are hotter (confusing wild swarms with swarms from beekeepers might have led many to presume ferals to be "more aggressive"). This could be another option. Requeening would then be in order, but I would let them settle in with the one they have first.

Waya

Michael Bush
05-09-2006, 03:14 PM
>(1) How much of a problem is inter-hive robbing when you are maintaining multiple hives?

If you're not feeding and one isn't really small and weak, it's usually not a problem.

> Is there any special considerations I need to keep in mind with having two different hives in the same general area?

Most beekeepers have 20 or 30 in one place.

> [They are six feet apart at the moment with no obstructions between them, each slightly angled off the morning sun.]

Not a problem.

>(2) The TBH knock-up that I built seems to have been accepted by the swarm I captured. How soon should I begin looking into it to see the inevitable cross-comb I am sure I will find or otherwise check on them?

I wouldn't say it's inevitable. I've had some bees that never built a crosscomb. I've had others that wouldn't draw good comb at all.

> Would 3 days be too soon?

For a peek, no. For an full inspection? Yes.

> And what problems should I expect or anticipate with this simple arrangment?

On hot days, with new combs full of honey they will be very fragile. Don't try to inspect the hive on a hot day.

>(3) The swarm I captured is markedly more agressive and inquisitive to me wandering near it than the packaged Italians I ordered who completely ignore me, even when inspecting. They look very very similar [the "feral" ones are a deep tawny golden color, however.] I thought most feral bees were sort of darker?

They vary. Both by the part of the country and even within the same part of the country. But here I used to only see the dark "leather" colored italians and now I mostly see the black ones.

> Could they be ill natured because they were starting to starve?

Could be.

> I put a sandwich baggy of sugar water in their hive and they seem to have become a lot more docile.

Keep an eye out. If you get the indication they are overly agressive, I'd requeen.