Another Honey Extractor ?

[Konrad]

The old fashioned type, [not radial] honey sells facing to the outside, which makes sense, the centrifugal force can drain the honey nicely, but the radial ones, the force is somewhat like 90degr.?

Is the old fashioned style not a better system for a more efficient extracting?

I got my hands on a old 2 frame galvanized one,[for free] but only want to use the crank and build my own 4 frame holding spinner out of stainless steel, and put it into a plastic barrel. ;)

I'm not sure, should I go radial or is the "old way" a better way?

Konrad

[BubbaBob]

Radial. Cells are not 90%...if you look colsely, bees build cells slightly downhill...just a few degrees. but enough. Radial is more effecient because of the fact you can 1). put more frames in the same space, and 2). you only spin them once...no need to flip and spin again.

BubbaBob

[BubbaBob]

Radial. Cells are not 90%...if you look colsely, bees build cells slightly downhill...just a few degrees. but enough. Radial is more effecient because of the fact you can 1). put more frames in the same space, and 2). you only spin them once...no need to flip and spin again.

BubbaBob

[carbide]

Also when you spin the frames radially you are applying the centrigal force in line with the major strength of the comb, ie. along the centerline of the center stiffener in the comb. This allows you to spin the frames at a higher rpm than you can spin them when the force is applied perpendicular to the face of the comb thus preventing the comb from blowing apart due to an unbalance of honey on one side of the frame or the other.

In other words, the comb is much stronger in the radial direction. It's like standing a 2 x 10 on edge and putting a load on it versus laying the 2 x 10 down flat and applying the same load to it. The 2 x 10 will take more than 25 times as much load standing on edge as it will laying down.

[Konrad]

Thank you all!

I just had a hard time to understand.

Can you tell me, why they don't build a two or 4 frame extractor in a radial fashion?
I have checked at the bee coop.... radial starts at 6 or 8 frames?

Konrad

[Robert Hawkins]

It's not economically feasible when anyone can build his own. Spend about 15 minutes someday staring at the inside of a trashcan. Picture a pole down the center with a motor attached to the top. Four brackets for frames. The only warning, don't run it with the honey gate closed. If the brackets hit backed up honey, they'll break. So keep it flowing out that bottom gate.

Hawk

[dickm]

Keep the old one for mixing feed.

Dickm

[Michael Bush]

>why they don't build a two or 4 frame extractor in a radial fashion?

The limiting factor on a radial is the twice the diameter of the largest frame it's made to take. Once you make the diameter large enough to make a radial that takes medium frames it's large enough to put six of them in.

>bees build cells slightly downhill

The angle of a typical cell is approximately 15 degrees.

>Is the old fashioned style not a better system for a more efficient extracting?

Some people who extract very viscous honey prefer them to the radials. For most honey it's irelevant.

[Konrad]

Thank you all!

Actually, I think I got the answer, I should have known it....working in the machineshop!

If you take a frame and put it lets say about 1" from the center, radial, [it can be done] you would have to spin it too fast to get any G force near the center, to do any satisfying extracting.

It's like taking a drill bit....the center of the drill has much less surface speed then the outside of the drill. Or, turning a chunk of steel or wood, on a small piece, you have to speed up to get you correct surface speed.

G forces varies across the comb, from center to the outside, so it is not a good idea to have such a comb arrangement beeing close to the center in a radial fashion.

The larger you go on the diameter of your spinning arrangement the better it will work.
That's why they start I think at about 6 or 8 frames, right?
How large is your drum Michael?

So....for small size spinners, it is best to have comb facing the outside, this way, you will maintain an even G force across the whole comb....makes sense?

It looks like, I'm going the old fashion way.
Klein aber Fein.

Konrad

[Kurt Bower]

"if you look colsely, bees build cells slightly downhill"

From my understanding cells are built slightly upward.
If a cell was downhill the nectar would run out as the bees filled it.

Kurt

[Robert Hawkins]

Kurt, don't ever argue with BubbaBob. He know's his stuff and in this argument you're both right. Just facing opposite ways. What you say is downhill He sees as uphill. So you're both saying the same thing.

Hawk

[searcher]

[Michael Bush]

>How large is your drum Michael?

My 9/18 is about (I'm guessing since I'm not there with a measuring tape) 33". It just fits easily through my back door.

>As my son would say "actually" it would be uphill. Because they don't start building in free space toward the foundation.

That makes sense to me. smile.gif Either way they are not level. smile.gif