From: Pav <bobhog@pin.co.nz>
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:35:25 +1200
To: <BiologicalBeekeeping@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: 4.9 thus far

At 8/08/01 08:43:00, Dee wrote:

>Now get these quiet people out of the woodwork? On the BEE-L and Irish-List
>after neither lists to me seemed very receiptive to even my speaking on the
>subject matter there. Now have me get out beekeepers not used to the verbal
>of Allen Dick and similar on the Irish-L. I don't think so!

A pity. Lists like Bee-L reach a far wider beekeeping audience than any state
convention. I'm surprised that you feel that folk who have tried 4.9 and seen it work for themselves are willing to talk in front of a live audience and the doubters there, but wouldn't be able to put an ignoramous on an email list in their place by saying: "This is my experience of 4.9 - the ignoramous has none." Especially an American!

It frustrates me that apart from those still in the early stages of trying it (such as on this list) who really aren't in a position to make claims yet (without them being easily
dismissed by the sceptics), off the top of my head i can only really think of yourselves (Ed-Dee) and Erik that are actually saying "it works!".

>Tell me I am wrong Pav! That the drug chemical companies didn't get to you
>first is NZ with free dope treatments or low cost dope treatments to suck
>you in down there, like they have in other places, only to raise the price
>later and then higher and higher.

Sorry Dee, this is not correct. The NZ government as part of its emergency varroa
responce budget to slow the initial spread, and keep non-mite areas free for an extra season or two (hopefully) bought the miticides and allowed 2 free treatments to
beekeepers affected. This is not being done by the chemical company - they are happily charging the government!

Varroa is only in 1/2 of the North (smaller) Island here - the "Mainland" (South Island) has yet to find a mite (and they have tested thousands of hives in the search for mites, and still are testing/searching). The thinking is the lower they can keep mite numbers in the infested area, the slower it will spread out of this area into non-mite zones (bee-movement out of this area is prohibited). Hence the government funded miticides.

-Pav, saying no corporate bogeyman this time.