From: "deelusbybeekeeper" <deelusbybeekeeper@excelonline.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 12:13:49 -0700
To: <BiologicalBeekeeping@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: package bees and pollen

Hi to all on Biological Beekeeping

Clay wrote:

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There has been a discussion on bee-l on installing cold weather packages.
What is the best way to feed pollen to package bees started on foundation (no combs)? The folder method described to me by Dee Lusby? I would like to discuss package bee nutrition so as to have the healthiest bees possible.

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Reply:

Yes Clay, you could use both pollen and honey disposable packets you make up. This would work. Also you could knead pollen into granulated honey and feed from one packet as a combined mixture. However, this would feed the bees as you have now already done.

Here you are now talking starting package bees on foundation with no drawn
out combs. This is a little different case scenario. Bees overwinter on
stored and often granulated honey in frames that they then chew out and
consume slowly. When drawing combs to make new foundation it generally takes a nectar flow and therefore liquid to get them drawing wax. You would then need to liquify the honey prior to putting into the packets. Then on top of the honey you would need to sprinkle a thin layer of clean straw for the
bees to walk on. The pollen would be now seperate in another packet for the
bees to help initiate broodrearing along with the comb building, thus giving
the queen a place to lay immediately as the combs are being built. Also,
Clay, rather than punching several holes with your hive tool in the packets
for the bees to laterally move in to feed, you will now have the straw on
top for walking on the surface without swimming, and maybe one pencil hole
in the bottom of the packet (tiny) for slow drops of honey to ooze out of at
a speed the bees can take the liquid feed up(not more than 4-5 drops min).

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Also Dee, do you practice reversing hive bodies in your management for
swarm control? Or do you use other methods, splits, ect. ?

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Reply:

Yes, we reverse hive bodies in the brood chamber when the third is occupied
and the lower are not.We then place the occupied body down and let the bees move up through either two or if ample bees in the super, we might center it instead with an empty on each side early on.

The main thing is not to let the bees hanker the queen down and restrict her
laying until the mainflow. You want as much power as possible going into the
main flow. Until the main flow hits we keep opening the queen up with her
brood nest and giving her room to lay for maximum number of workers for
honey production.

As we build our new colonies up, often we sandwich in new frames of undrawn
foundation into the broodnest between two good frames of layed up worker
brood. One, it unconjests the broodnest and two, it gives the queen more new comb in which to lay, and three, it is the best place to keep drawing
correctly sized and drawnout workercomb and not the bigger honey combs.

When adding to the broodnest to make it bigger(adding another super) we
always pull up two good layed up combs of workerbrood into the middle of the super to start the bees up with maybe an outside frame on each side of honey from below. Into those spots we would then slide the honey to the sides and then sandwich the new frames between the brood in the lower box to refill it out, alternating frames of brood and new undrawn comb. HOwever, you must do this just as the bees are getting ready to pop and explode upward with population, so timing is everything.

Too late, the bees start hankering down the queen and then go into drawing
honey combs and you then have to fight the trend to reverse it, to put the
queen back into control until the main flow.

Hope this helps you some Clay.

Dee